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      02-29-2016, 07:14 PM   #1
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Which Car is Worth More in Ten Years

This is a poll.

Let's say you have a 2005 e46 M3 ZCP with 60k miles on it in mint condition and a 2011 e92 M3 ZCP with 60k miles on it mint condition and you put them both into the garage on a trickle charger and don't add any more miles or wear to either one.

Which car is worth more in ten years?
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      02-29-2016, 07:51 PM   #2
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Depends on the buyer but neither will hold value in that time frame (in my opinion) so I guess that would mean the E92 is worth more.
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      02-29-2016, 08:11 PM   #3
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That's a tough question. The E46 was a beautiful design, the last of the truly driver oriented BMWs and the last all motor inline 6.

The E92 is bigger and heavier and not as beautiful, but it has what may go down as the best motor in an M car ever, a completely bespoke design.

Both would need to be manual trans to really be valuable. The people that pay big bucks for older M cars are die hard enthusiast and want the pure driving experience offered by a manual trans.
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      02-29-2016, 08:45 PM   #4
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This is a tough one. I am going w/e46 (slick top), just more driver involvement. E92 (carbon roof) will also increase in value, but not as fast as e46 IMO.

M price increase index: e30>e46>e92>e36 (IMO)
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      02-29-2016, 09:22 PM   #5
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Probably the e92 because of the V8 and its sound. But the e46 wins in terms of percentage increase because the cost of entry is 1/3 to 1/2 in the present market.
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      03-01-2016, 09:05 PM   #6
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If it comes down to a collector wanting the ZCP option there are a lot less E46 variants, only 2400 produced from 05 to 06 (minus the one totaled into the tree in LA last week). There were a lot more E9x ZCPs produced, I'm guessing 5 times more.
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      03-02-2016, 01:52 PM   #7
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The fact that the e92 is worth more today means that the e46 would have to gain a lot of value just to get even, let alone exceed the e92. Now, if you asked which would depreciate less, then it might swing things the way of the e46.
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      03-02-2016, 03:11 PM   #8
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e46 ZCP if it is a slicktop, manual, with cloth seats, and alpine white.
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      03-02-2016, 03:20 PM   #9
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definitely get the hooker out of the trunk before you do this. probably wouldn't smell the best after 10 years.
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      03-02-2016, 03:20 PM   #10
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Both will be worth less and you lost use of your garage space.
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      03-02-2016, 03:23 PM   #11
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I'm going with the V8. The real question, do e30 M3s consistently go over $100k within 10 years?
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      03-02-2016, 04:57 PM   #12
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I'm going with the V8. The real question, do e30 M3s consistently go over $100k within 10 years?
Neither will likely be worth more than they did new inflation adjusted. They'll just hold value.

Super unpopular opinion incoming. I'm convinced that the E30 M3 is a hipster car. It does have impressive pedigree as a racing car and that's pretty much why this car is going up in value currently. But as a thrilling drive, its sharp handling and bare bones feedback probably can't overcome the lack of power.

I think the E46 will be worth more. Slicktop cloth seat 6MT in AW or IB. I think that car was generally liked more. It's the right mix of power and driver's car.
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Neither will likely be worth more than they did new inflation adjusted. They'll just hold value.

Super unpopular opinion incoming. I'm convinced that the E30 M3 is a hipster car. It does have impressive pedigree as a racing car and that's pretty much why this car is going up in value currently. But as a thrilling drive, its sharp handling and bare bones feedback probably can't overcome the lack of power.

I think the E46 will be worth more. Slicktop cloth seat 6MT in AW or IB. I think that car was generally liked more. It's the right mix of power and driver's car.
E30 325i was faster, so BMW had to handicap it with an economy diff ratio to make the overpriced and slower E30 M3 interesting. Sort of like the E34 M5 and the E34 540i.
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E92, simply because it'll be 5+ newer than the e46. An 05-06 E46 with low miles will go for maybe $20-25k while a 12-13 zcp E92 will go for $30-35k ish. (that's just my guess)
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E92, simply because it'll be 5+ newer than the e46. An 05-06 E46 with low miles will go for maybe $20-25k while a 12-13 zcp E92 will go for $30-35k ish. (that's just my guess)
Well, probably not that straight forward. By this logic, a 993 should cost less than a 996. Older doesn't always mean it's going to be cheaper. Certain 05-06 M3's are already considerably more expensively priced than older E92 M3s.
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E92, simply because it'll be 5+ newer than the e46. An 05-06 E46 with low miles will go for maybe $20-25k while a 12-13 zcp E92 will go for $30-35k ish. (that's just my guess)
Well, probably not that straight forward. By this logic, a 993 should cost less than a 996. Older doesn't always mean it's going to be cheaper. Certain 05-06 M3's are already considerably more expensively priced than older E92 M3s.
Well said ... A much older mint 1995 E36 LTW is more expensive now than most if not all E46s snd E92s.
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both will be irrelevant. so knock yourself out.
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The E46 is already creeping the shoes of a LCI E92 ZCP with similar miles. The E46 will fetch more money after 10 years. Its old, there will be less of them Vs E92M and because it will be more of an enthusiast car those owners are willing to pay top dollar. Anyone that says E92 because V8 has no idea...
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That's a tough question. The E46 was a beautiful design, the last of the truly driver oriented BMWs and the last all motor inline 6.

The E92 is bigger and heavier and not as beautiful, but it has what may go down as the best motor in an M car ever, a completely bespoke design.

Both would need to be manual trans to really be valuable. The people that pay big bucks for older M cars are die hard enthusiast and want the pure driving experience offered by a manual trans.
Agree except the Z4 M was the last car with the S54. I'd say a Z4 M coupe has a higher chance at appreciation than the E46 M.

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The fact that the e92 is worth more today means that the e46 would have to gain a lot of value just to get even, let alone exceed the e92. Now, if you asked which would depreciate less, then it might swing things the way of the e46.
This. If one looks at the price trends of the two, either the E46 would have to appreciate 50+% or the E92 would have to depreciate at a significantly faster rate than the E46 for the next 10 years them to even be even in price within 10 years time.

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If it comes down to a collector wanting the ZCP option there are a lot less E46 variants, only 2400 produced from 05 to 06 (minus the one totaled into the tree in LA last week). There were a lot more E9x ZCPs produced, I'm guessing 5 times more.
In North America, 2,410 E46 ZCPs, 5,870 E92 ZCPs, 1,220 E90 ZCPs.
So a little less than triple. 5 times is an exaggeration lol.

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The E46 is already creeping the shoes of a LCI E92 ZCP with similar miles. The E46 will fetch more money after 10 years. Its old, there will be less of them Vs E92M and because it will be more of an enthusiast car those owners are willing to pay top dollar. Anyone that says E92 because V8 has no idea...
Apples to apples, the E92 is still worth more than the E46. And at the time of writing, both models are still depreciating.
There may be the occasional low miles '06 Alpine White E46 ZCP with Slicktop & Cloth Seats that fetches for more than a pre-LCI E92 but generally speaking, the E92 is still worth more.



There are less E46 ZCPs than E92 ZCPs but less E92 M3s than E46 M3s.
In North America, there are more E46 M3 Coupes (26,202) than E92 and E90 M3s combined (15,799 + 5,867 = 21,666).
So there is definitely no rarity factor.
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Agree except the Z4 M was the last car with the S54. I'd say a Z4 M coupe has a higher chance at appreciation than the E46 M.



This. If one looks at the price trends of the two, either the E46 would have to appreciate 50+% or the E92 would have to depreciate at a significantly faster rate than the E46 for the next 10 years them to even be even in price within 10 years time.



In North America, 2,410 E46 ZCPs, 5,870 E92 ZCPs, 1,220 E90 ZCPs.
So a little less than triple. 5 times is an exaggeration lol.



Apples to apples, the E92 is still worth more than the E46. And at the time of writing, both models are still depreciating.
There may be the occasional low miles '06 Alpine White E46 ZCP with Slicktop & Cloth Seats that fetches for more than a pre-LCI E92 but generally speaking, the E92 is still worth more.



There are less E46 ZCPs than E92 ZCPs but less E92 M3s than E46 M3s.
In North America, there are more E46 M3 Coupes (26,202) than E92 and E90 M3s combined (15,799 + 5,867 = 21,666).
So there is definitely no rarity factor.
Non convertible non smg e46m prices are going up, especially 2003.5+ cars.

Smg is a huge value killer, and the smart buy imo. They're worth $5-8000 less than 6mt cars, and you can convert them to manual for $800 in parts (post smg pump sale). My brother is in the market currently, and almost certainly he'll end up getting an SMG car for that reason. Just wrapped up doing the same job on my friends car-- let him get into a slicktop 05 in nice condition for $26k, would have easily been over $30k if it had been manual.

I could see the z4m being worth more, but only because they sold so few of them. Maybe not though... It's not a very good car...

I really want to add a z8 to the fleet (real fleet goal: one of each chassis BMW made in 2001), but they've been demanding crazy money and will probably never go down

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Non convertible non smg e46m prices are going up, especially 2003.5+ cars.

Smg is a huge value killer, and the smart buy imo. They're worth $5-8000 less than 6mt cars, and you can convert them to manual for $800 in parts (post smg pump sale). My brother is in the market currently, and almost certainly he'll end up getting an SMG car for that reason. Just wrapped up doing the same job on my friends car-- let him get into a slicktop 05 in nice condition for $26k, would have easily been over $30k if it had been manual.

I could see the z4m being worth more, but only because they sold so few of them. Maybe not though... It's not a very good car...

I really want to add a z8 to the fleet (real fleet goal: one of each chassis BMW made in 2001), but they've been demanding crazy money and will probably never go down
Z8 would be nice wouldn't it, i certainly wouldn't mind

The possibilities are higher for Z4 M mainly because low production numbers, 6MT only, last NA I-6 from M GmbH, etc. They made way too many E46 M3s, even if it is a "better" car. Hell, the Z3 M Coupes had an ancient suspension and look at how much they're selling for.

As far as E46 6MT Coupes go, as mentioned before, they are still depreciating, generally speaking.
I sold my '04 6MT Coupe in late 2013 to a local buyer and the owner just sold it locally last month for $11k less than what I sold it to him for (and about $8k less than his asking price). Sure, it isn't a unicorn ZCP Slicktop Cloth low-mileage example, but the market speaks for itself. Unless its a unicorn, its still a depreciating asset.
I would say to be fair, the prices [of the E46 M3], while still depreciating, are more or less on its way to a plateau, but i certainly wouldn't call it appreciation.
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