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Hmm....the suspension/handling aspect is generally what makes an ///M an ///M. The 4.6is/4.8is already produced great performance numbers for an SAV. Outside of some interior changes and a bulge or two, what would be left?
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great post!
Blame the marketplace and focus groups on the diluting the brand. Question 1: "would you pay more for an M Car?" Answer: "Yes, if it was safer, more comfortable, and was less edgy (quieter)." Boom!! Toast!! Quote:
I just read that the next M5 will have a HO version of the 4.4 TT V8. |
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BMW trademarked the name "M10" so I don't think the V10 will disappear. It might just move to the rumored "M1" style supercar (perhaps to be called ... "M10")
If the M5 and M3 go to forced induction, it's probably just the quickest solution to appease a market focused on fuel mileage. Hopefully the N/A engines will re-appear at some point... with more fantastic engineering, that gets 30mpg instead of 10mpg
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Next BMW M5 will nix V10 in favor of twin-turbo V8 Posted Jul 7th 2008 11:02AM by Damon Lavrinc Filed under: Sedans/Saloons, BMW BMW may begin straying from its long held tradition of equipping its M models with rev-happy, naturally aspirated engines. According to a source speaking with Automotive News, the twin-turbocharged 4.4-liter V8 currently equipped on the new X6, could be stroked out to 4.8-liters and fitted on future Ms, including the new M5, due out in 2011. The twin-turbo'd 3.0-liter inline six found in the 335i, 535i and entry-level X6 proved that BMW has the chops to create highly efficient and eminently entertaining blown mills, and there's no doubt that significant tweaks to the turbocharged V8 could boost power levels over the stock mill's claimed 407 hp, to take take serious aim at Audi's 572 hp RS6. Last edited by De90man; 07-31-2008 at 09:41 PM.. |
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+1, //M cars are so much more than a factory car with some upgrades.....
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Except the Z8 M cars are modified series cars. If there is no series car, a car developed by the M division may actually not have the ///M badge like the Z8.
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Well said, the Z8 was not BMW's finest hours. And now finding out that M-Division did the ground work makes things even worse. When Audi who many class as second rate at chassis design can produce such a fine example as the R8, and then BMW M-Division who many regard as first rate at chassis design produce the Z8. WTF. Apologizes for those with Z8s, they may be a great car in other ways but handling finesse is not one of them. |
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Nope, but thanks for playing and thanks for the sarcasm. I'm not an a**hole to you, so why not park your attitude at the door buddy......
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I am a card holding BMW fanboi so I realize that my opinion is biased. That being said...
I do have a problem with a MX5, MX6 variant... I do have a problem with forced induction in M cars no matter how much power or fast they will go from 0-60.... I believe that although the Porsche's foray into SUV's did bief up the brand, it also tarnished the racing background of the company that for most part was devoted to only building sports cars.... We may all be owners of the last true M car for a while! Hooray on that point.... Jason
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the Z8 is a great car...
The $128,000 car had an all aluminum chassis and body and used a 4.9 L (4941 cc) 32 valve V8, that developed 400 hp (294 kW) and 500 Nm (363 ft·lbf). This engine was built by the BMW Motorsport subsidiary and was shared with the E39 M5. The engine was located behind the front axle in order to provide the car with 50/50 weight distribution. The factory claimed a 0 to 100 km/h (0 to 62.5 mph) time of 4.7 seconds; Motor Trend magazine achieved 0 to 60 mph (97 km/h) in 4.2 seconds. Road and Track measured the car's lateral grip at .92. Car and Driver magazine also tested the car and found that it outperformed the contemporary benchmark Ferrari 360 Modena in three important performance categories: acceleration, handling, and braking. As with most BMW products, its top speed was electronically limited to 155 mph (249 km/h); the car's maximum top speed with an unlocked chip was 186 mph (300 km/h). the car weighed less than 3500 lbs looks, subjective...retro, but not garish |
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