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08-12-2007, 01:44 PM | #23 | |
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I'm sure a Procede 335 would keep right up with an M3 on normal American stop and go (red light, green light) or highway racing. That's where most people are going to compete with their cars anyways. How many are actually going to use the suspension, transmission and chassis upgrades of the M3 to their advanatage in normal American conditions? Or how many are going to join a race club and push thier 70K M3 to the limit? .05% maybe. |
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08-12-2007, 01:54 PM | #24 |
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Have you driven a M3--on a public road or elsewhere? If you have, how can you say that there won't be a significant difference in the way the two cars will feel and the amount of satisfaction you will get that will be the direct result of all those other dimensions I've mentioned--regardless of the driving conditions? If you haven't, then you really don't have any basis for saying what you are saying.
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08-12-2007, 02:18 PM | #25 | |
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And Im not talking about satisfaction or feel. Im talking about normal American stop and go racing (red light , green light) or highway racing. Thats where most people will put their cars up against others and thats where I think a procede 335 will stay with an M3. I doubt the M3 transmission, chassis, or suspension will matter much in these conditions. It will all come down to 0-60 time and the M3 and Procede 335 are neck in neck in this regard. Heck, a Mustang Cobra will hang with these cars in normal conditions. Catch my drift? |
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08-12-2007, 02:38 PM | #28 |
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If your metric is purely 0-60 acceleration, then you should simply consider buying the 135, the Cobra, the EVO, or the base Corvette and so on for much less. One of the main reasons why people buy the M3 is because of the way it handles and feels as a whole--on the street or the track. If you don't care about that, then yes, you would be overspending by buying a M3, and are better off with chipping a 135 or 335. According to your line of thinking, there is no point in buying a 612 since the Elise is almost as fast at 0-60. That doesn't make any sense.
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08-12-2007, 02:54 PM | #29 | |
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But Im not buying an M3 to race it. Im buying it for the reasons you just stated. It has the performance, luxury, exclusivity, look, feel and handling that totally set it apart from every car you just described. I want the total package, so I'm ordering an M3. All I'm saying is that on pure DAILY American "need for speed" driving conditions the 335 Procede should be able to keep up with an M3 (along with many other cars).... that's pitting 0-60 times against each other and nothing more because the M transmission, chassis, or handling will not factor into these DAILY driving conditions. Put them on the track and that's another story... |
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08-12-2007, 03:03 PM | #30 |
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Some people race on "DAILY American need for speed driving conditions" everyday. You see it all the time on youtube.com. M3 vs 335i with proceede etc.
Some how I still think an E92 M3 will pull on a 335i with procede. I cant wait to check out the vids that bimmer enthusists will make to know for sure, cause I'm so curious. K3N R3D
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No, 0-60mph times won't matter much, it will 20-80mph and 40-100mph sprints that come into play. Highways arnt strait, to take curves at 110mph in an M3 VS a 335 will be considerably in the M's favor! Drag racing depends on the surface and driver. Low torque, high-rev cars have an enherent advantage because they will hook-up more consistantly. With 16 speakers, plush leather interior and quite insterior sound, solid car. I really don't car if a Mustang Cobra can hang with me for a few rows of the gear box. Most likely you'll be the winner without ever touching 3rd gear. Mustangs don't handle. -Garrett |
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Wait, you can chip a 335?????? OMGZ
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The worst dealer service I ever got was from a Porsche dealer.... and I have tried about 4 different ones here in the LA area. They continue to disappoint me. |
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My short list of alternatives right now are the 335 (probably the cab--I love hard tops), the 135, & the Cayman S
I still think the base price comes in around 55-57k though, so this will probably all be moot. |
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I had some problems with a 2001 Boxster S that were not fixed after several attempts. I did a little research on my own and finally TOLD them what to fix, and that solved the problem. That car had a bad cat convertor, bad wheel bearings, rear main seal oil leak (very common problem, and mine leaked again not long after the 1st fix), and a bad throwout bearing... all before 28K miles, which is when I got rid of it. Porsches are great to drive but they definitely have their problems and I'd say they're more high-maintenance than other brands for sure. If you know and expect that going in, you're OK. When I bought my Boxster S in 2001 though, I was expecting to get the very best quality for the "premium price" I felt I paid... and I was disappointed when I didn't. |
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I dont know why you say worst dealer service. Compared to what?
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