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... and this is my big problem with BMWs. In Europe, but especially in the U.K., BMWs are exceedingly common. Some BMW models massively outsold Fords over the last few years. Exclusivity just doesn't exist - but of course, that is not to say that BMWs are not excellent cars!
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when driving AWD, one has to be careful of having a false sense of security or you will be riding the curb.... cheers,
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Why do everyone not accept that they both are blindingly good but totally different in their approach. P.S. This is for all the guys that genuinely believed that the M3 is quicker than an RS5 in the wet. Audi developed the RS5 to surpass everything that the RS4 was capable of and this it has done, so why wouldn't this be true in the wet? http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/sp...ling_test.html |
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tsk tsk tsk! I think your a very intelligent person...a little bias...but intelligent....make your point without insulting BMW owners...especially on a BMW forum...very distasteful. let's get this thread back on topic shall we.... WOOOOHOOOO...yet another WIN FOR THE M3...woot woot! heehee....
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This is just inaccurate. On public road or on a track, BMW and Mercedes and Audi each have vastly different drive feels. My friend, a former BMW guy, owns a c63 AMG and we regularly swap cars for fun. in driving his car, the c63 feels worlds more disconnected from the road than the M3 - like your driving on a cloud. I can also say the same of an e63 which I"ve also driven on numerous occasions. He agrees with my assessment about the car and regrets his decision to go with mercedes. Even if you like the mercedes driving feel, there is little doubt about the fact that the two cars feel entirely different on the road. Regarding Audi, I have similar sentiment, though obviously I haven't driven the RS5 and can't speak from personal experience. But of all the other Audi's I've driven, I can say that its driving feel and experience is distinctly different from that of BMW.
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subtle is not the word. you're underemphaszing the realisitic and substantial differences between these cars for the sake of what? feeling like you're right?
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duh!...LOL...he feels he is more qualified than the journalists of car and driver!...seriously!!!
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by the way....love your M3...Dakar yellow looks amazing in direct sunlight!!!
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Here's my point. Put the average M3 driver into both cars, my bet is he would be faster around a track in the Audi. How many M3 drivers ever turn off DSC fully, and know how to control oversteer, which the M3 more readily does than the RS5.
This just brings back my badge whore point. At the limit, the M3 seems to be faster, but in day to day situations, in the rain, in the snow, in the dry, with regular drivers, which car is faster? For the record, I've owned an e46 M3 with regular auto'xing and a few lapping days . I now own an E70 with 3rd row seating due to family constraints , so I am no audi fanboi. |
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So I really dont get what your point is trying to prove. In the day to day conditons there is a 60mph limit and speed cameras everywhere. Off the line in snow most AWD cars will be faster...Duh.
On a dry track the M3 driver probably wouldn't be that much faster in either car. Why? If he steps on the throttle in the M3 the rear will break out. So he's likely going to be feeding the throttle in super smooth. VS In the Audi if the "M3" driver goes to quick he's just going to understeer off the corner. Both points are going to cost him (Or her ) time. The only difference in the real world between these cars in the customer base who buy them. They both LOVE cars, but go after either car because of the way it fills the fast saloon category. Im betting anyone of us would appreciate both cars in person. The M3 and RS5 are gorgeous, they just do it there own way!
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The "badge whore" argument can't be used when discussing premium automobiles. An RS5 driver could be just as much of a badge whore as an ///M3 driver. +3 |
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