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I've been thinking about the GTR for 2 years now. Stayed up late at night to see the Tokyo Motor Show release to catch pics of it.
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I thought this article was quite positive about the E92 M3. The writers were just complaining about the fact that everytime they test drive the newest iteration of the M3, the car is progressively farther away from what the M3 was intended to be (their benchmark is the E30 M3 street racer).
BTW, this issue of Automobile also has an article about the upcoming C63. They are really high on this car - looks, handling, suspension, SPEED. They claim that the C63 will be the closest direct competitor to the M3 and may very well be the new king of the hill. |
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Mixed. The taillights and exhaust tips are to-die-for. Obviously, the performance aspect is superb. The side profile is kinda iffy. I do like the front and the way it is laid out. Would like to see them change how the bumper interacts with the line that comes down from the headlights.
I have heard the rumor of 3 different variants. All with the same engine though. V-6 TT, 3.7 liter, 450+ hp, seriously enhanced version of their ATTESA all-wheel drive that was used on previous versions of the Skyline GT-R. Biggest difference between the models being extensive CF and a rumored dual-clutch tranny. Plus added luxury on them mid-tier level. Was hoping it would be branded as an Infiniti, actually was at one point. Would have been nice to forgo the hit and miss Nissan dealership experience. The car would obviously be much more focused than an M3. So, I have to way that. Further enhanced performance or more luxury/all-rounder. Still leaning with the M3.
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I think the GT-R looks awesome from the back. But, am I the only one who thinks it looks like an 80's kit car from all other angles. Half the cars around town look like that...a Pontiac Fiero with plastic bolt ons or a Mitsu with aftermarket stuff glued to it....maybe it's just me. That was my first impression and second etc...
but admittedly the rear view is cool.
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Also, heard awhile back they had Lotus help on tuning the chassis. This was pretty much fact. From what I have seen, Nissan has put the full-court-press on making sure the new GT-R is the biz. Initial concept unveiling was Oct 01. They have definately taken their time. 80-90% production version was shown in Oct 05.
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I will disagree with you that BMW has had "spot on steering" in the past as both the E46 M3 and E36 M3 have suffered from what journalists call numb or light steering. Although must that drive them, love them. The GTR in my opinion is a step above the M3 in both performance and price. I would suspect the GTR will come in about the same price as a standard 997 C2. Which is great because you get 997TT performance at C2 prices. It will no doubt be a winner if people are willing to shell out 70-80K for a Nissan. I also dont see myself in a vette or MB. And the Cayman, although great, is too small. Jason
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My understanding is that GTR will be produced in relatively low volumes. This car has a pretty strong fan base around the world. I wouldn't be surprised if this edition ends up having some kind of a cult following, with prices increasing after production is stopped and all that (look at the Supra). I realize that's not a reason to buy the car or anything, but it does seem to have a strange aura. My point is such Japanese cars most likely do not appeal to the crowd who like German cars in general, but they do have their appeal, and I wouldn't be quick to write it off as not having top notch build quality and finish (it may, but the car will probably make up for it in other respects).
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Not surprised. Each mag has its biases I guess. The only way to determine what's best is to test drive the cars yourself.
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Jason, I have to disagree with your disagreement about the E36 M3's steering. There have been articles about it having the best steering of any car on the road (Road and Track 1998 technical article called "WHy does the BMW M3 steer so well?"). It has perfect road feel and weighting. WHen I drove my buddies new E46 M3 in 2001 it was much lighter and had a lot less feel than the E36. Not sure if they ever changed this during its production run. Just defending my old girl! (98 M3 sedan).
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I believe all the cars tested in Spain were pre production cars, at least I hope so. Steved said there was some improvement with the 6mt in the production car he tested in England, but still had concerns about steering feel. I Want to buy the M3 but if it doesn't steer at least as good as a 3 series, forget it. Can't fix numb steering with mods. The M3 is starting to look more like an amercian muscle car, great motor and numb steering. To spend 70k on a sports car that doesn't steer as well as an Accord family hauler is not good. I still have hope that BMW is not so arrogant as to discount these reviews, if they do it will be at their own peril. They responded to the criticism of the light steering in the 3 series about 6 years ago, now they need to step it up and tweak the steering and brakes on the U.S. speced car before their release next Spring. If BMW wants to make a fix bad einough they can still do it. I would be more than willing to wait even if it took a delay to get it right.
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I think you're going a bit overboard with your criticism of the M3 steering. Especially considering you haven't driven one. Accord? American muscle car? It's been said that it is numb near center, but when you put load onto the front end, the steering stiffens up as it should. I haven't heard complaints about the suspension or it's actual performance/grip.
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Hmmm. Maybe I'd like to drive it myself instead of calling for a recall before it's even hit the streets.
As for the Cadillac, weren't you just complaining about BMW going the way of American Muscle, yet you're willing to praise the CTS-V because they're dropping a big ol' pushrod engine in it? Neat. We'll see how the C63, RS4, and CTS-V hold up when there are some official competitions. No, I've never driven a Cayman, but I've driven an E46 M3. There were these same complaints by auto journalists about the steering on the E46, but I never had any complaints. If you expected Cayman steering feel from the M3, I think your expectations were a little bit high when even Porsche's higher-end models can't match that. Have you ever driven an E92 M3? Last edited by Stahlgrau; 09-03-2007 at 07:14 PM.. |
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