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10-13-2011, 05:03 PM | #45 |
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From my experience / opinion in all of these cars you mention.
Corvette will be the fastest and most power it handles good but the steering feel lacks response (it sucks) c5 zo6 was much better. Porsche will have the beat steering feel Yet be the slower of the 3 BMW will have the best average of the handling/power. For what your describing I'd go with the Porsche. |
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10-15-2011, 01:14 AM | #51 |
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Your right, the Porsche is faster but the m3 feels faster and more power than my c2s The throttle response in the m3 is brutally fast compared to my Porsche.
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10-15-2011, 01:35 PM | #52 |
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I am a big Porsche fan but I'm gonna have to disagree with u. The m3 engine is way more responsive in any mode you are in. Try stabbing the gas at 4k rpm in each car back to back and see which car snaps ur neck more. Every passenger I drive in both cars come away saying that the Porsche is fast, but when in my m3 they hold on for dear life because of how explosive the power delivery is. The Porsche is more subtle in it's power delivery. The engine is the m3 is far more advanced and light years ahead of the Porsche when it comes to response. 8 individual throttle butterflies which makes the m3 feel explosive when you punch the throttle is a feeling that u feel in only a few cars in the world. Too bad they made the m3 so big and heavy. It could have been epic if they cut the fat and kept closer to e46 dimensions. The 2011 gt3 I drove was amazing but again throttle response is better in the m3.
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i have a GT3 and an M3. i'm no race driver or anything but i would give a slight edge in throttle response to the GT3 (although the M3 power button closes the gap some), but a huge advantage in 'fun' factor to the GT3. to me, a fun car that has great throttle/steering response, is wonderfully communicative, and just works seamlessly with its driver. the kind of car that makes you feel like a much better driver than you are. oh, and it has to be as fast as fuck around a track too
the GT3 is better than the M3 for me at all of the above (although i've not personally taken either to the track yet). but the comparison really isn't fair because Porsche set off to build a track car with minimal compromises for the street, while the M3 was designed to do all things well. oh, and the base price of the GT3 is literally double that of the M. i will always grab the keys to the GT3 if i'm in the mood for a fun drive, but there are definitely times when i feel more like driving the M3. i do feel the M3 offers a ton more comfort and convenience (with DCT) while only sacrificing a little of the fun factor. bang for the buck, M3 wins by a mile. as far as Corvettes, i've never owned one so will withhold comments. i drove a Z06 and it was definitely fast and 'raw', but not my cup of tea. |
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10-16-2011, 01:19 PM | #58 |
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Ok, I've only driven a couple gt3's. One was a 2011 and another an 07. My impressions of both cars were very positive, especially the 2011. I liked almost everything about those cars, the steering was the best I've experienced in any car, the sound was intoxicating and you can go through a turn at much higher speeds without breaking a sweat, however i feel that my m3 is a touch more responsive to throttle inputs when in "sport plus" mode and light years ahead of my 997.2 c2s. I say this not to start a never ending argument, I'm just posting my observations given the fact I own both cars and drive them back to back all the time.
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I've never driven a GT3.1 or .2 but owned a 997.1S and have driven a 997.2S and the throttle response in my M3 is better (with M power button engaged).
I have to believe that any versioned 997 GT3 would be at least marginally better than the M in the throttle response dept. No? The car is purpose built for the track. A bit OT ---- Went on a run today with plenty of powerful cars (Gallardo, 997 Turbos, a ton of 996 TT's, an E46 M3, a 993, Z06, four Lotus's, a PanameraS) and I was simply amazed how well my DCT M3 fared. It always seemed to be in the right power band coming out of turns, etc. The sound was simply awesome. In the short period of time (30 days) that I've owned this car, I have determined that I may hold onto this one for a while. |
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To above post... Yes you would assume that the gt3 a 150k track built car would have a more responsive engine than a car that costs half the price but I doesn't. The most advanced part in the m3 in the engine. Bmw, atleast up until now, has been known for investing a lot of resources and money into developing some of the most advanced engines in the world and not just for M cars. This is why bmw engines have won do many awards year after year. More than any other car maker. That is what bmw stands for Bavarian MOTOR Works.
On a side note, I recently drove a 2011 cayman s and I was SERIOUSLY impressed not just with the handling but the engine too. The engine was more responsive than my c2s and sounded beautiful. |
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Far off the performance figures of the gt3. Your talking race wins and I'm talking engines. The fact of the matter is, when it comes to engines and not race wins, no car maker has one as many awards for engine of year, and praise for building the most advanced engines in cars as bmw has. |
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Drive the 911, the M3, and the Z06 and decide which of the three best fits your driving style. That car will satisfy your personal assessment of steering feel, "lazer-like reflexes" (I'm intrigued by the connotations of your simile, incidentally), and "toss-ability." |
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Installing a better suspension setup with more camber really sharpened the M3 up for me. It eliminated the complaints I had about the car without making it uncomfortable to drive on a daily basis. That said I agree with people who say it's too soft stock and I fear that's the direction they're going with the next generation as well. I'm probably going to upgrade to a 998 in 2-3 years.
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