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Been so long but I think you're right. Mine didn't survive a serious impact but the cage I put in saved my life. I still have the straightened momo race wheel though. Do you still have yours? The only other one I saw/drove was the Steeda car.
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Nice! Mine was initially setup for American Sedan then the mods got out of control and it was no longer competitive as classed.
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I don't understand why people complain about markups. If the market bears out the $100k price for these cars and someone is willing to pay it..then why not. Last I checked this was still the US with a free enterprise system. I think everyone knew this would happen. Whats funny is when dealers are selling cars at or even below invoice no one is complaining The fact of the matter is, the only people who are going to be getting these cars are people with large amounts of disposable income, with most of these cars are going to be sitting in a garage somewhere still wrapped in plastic.
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There's also the marketing aspect of all of this - people tend to think that because something is selling 'at premium' or is hard to find, it must be a better product. Which is perfectly logical. My (unsolicited opinion) - what Ford is doing is fine. It's annoying and irritating, but it's perfectly fair and in line with other car manufacturers. |
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Nice. I wonder how much they want for it?
My personal opinion - and this is based no particular experience, and with no particular technical comparison in mind - is that I would rather have the new 302S for a track car than the 302R. I realize the R has more equipment, but the new S really seems to have everything one could need, short of competing professionally in the actual race series the R is designed for of course. Quote:
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Consider the Ford GT, for example. There was a website (gone now, I believe) that essentially tracked all units sold by VIN and recorded the transaction price. It was an extremely valuable tool for the consumer, and due to the tight knit nature of the community, was fairly well known. Naturally the average transaction price fell over time. But more importantly, the low and high transaction prices were seldom far from the average. In other words, while there were markups, everyone was getting more or less the same deal The point here is that an ideal free market will be based purely upon supply and demand, and not upon consumer-perceived supply and consumer-perceived demand which unfortunately can easily be manipulated by vendors or others in the supply chain. If, hypothetically, the vendors were cut out of the picture, and we just let the manufacture sell the product in a forthright manner with full disclosure - perhaps using an auction system as you suggest - then we would likely see much more consistent transaction prices. Stict franchise laws prevent this scenario with respect to automobile sales. These laws ultimately undermine the free enterprise system. While one should be careful in mincing moral fitness with legal fitness, it does remain hard to respect those who would knowingly take part is such a blatant dismantling of what is otherwise a very successful system. Last edited by mkoesel; 12-15-2010 at 10:17 AM.. |
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I do feel we will see consistent transaction prices for these cars. Just like the Shelby GT500s when they first came out, dealers were scanning ebay among other things to where they should be as far as ADMs go. What I found amazing as far as the GT500 goes, even dealers where they would be lucky to even sell a plain jane Mustang were selling GT500s for well over sticker because they knew that people were scouring the earth looking for a good deal. Now Shelby GT500s can be had at or below MSRP, and buyers who paid such ridiculous prices got hosed. My opinion is if the market bears out the price that these dealers are asking then so be it. Otherwise they will adjust accordingly as they are now on Shebly GT500s. BMW dealers did the same thing with the E46 M3. I remember going to Beverly Hills BMW to see the LSB E46 M3 coupe (the demo) up for sale for $80k. BMW told the dealers they didn't want the demos sold but alot of dealers sold them anyways as they saw an opportunity to make a profit, albeit a huge profit. Another example was my 2007 997S, dealers here in LA were only going to give me $500 off of MSRP. I shopped all over the country and found a dealer in Ohio (which was burind in 6ft. of snow) that was willing to special order me a car for 10% off of MSRP. So tell me big guy...you in line for one.. Dave
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That 'real enthusiast' stuff is just propaganda and marketing, IMO. Unless they make tons of BOSS 302s, it's not going to sell at such a low price. The demand is just too high. You're perfectly right that the price is ridiculous for what it's marketed as, though. |
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Time is a big factor with premiums. I think it really hurt the GTR as an example though. When they first came out $90k was a common sales number on the original msrp. Consequently Nissan thought they missed the market and raised the msrp just as the hype died down. Then they were selling at a discount and they raised the msrp again. Had they left the original msrp I think they would have sold a lot more units and you wouldn't see 1 year old models still sitting on dealer lots.
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What does make me upset, is when you see the same car now on the showroom floor for 6 mos. and they are still asking for an ADM. At that time a lot of people who may have been in the market moved on to something else. Dave
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