335 vs '05 911 Turbo

nice to read that there are still some people with functioning brains on this forum and know that a 996/997 turbo will whip a 335i anyday....

[A. Hansen]

I raced one in Germany.

My 335i was original.
The Porsche and the bimmer where even till 250 kmh .

Now I have the Procede installed.
My car feels a lot faster now.

So.......

Sorry for all the Porsche fans and functioning brain users.

Originally Posted by A. Hoogstraate

I raced one in Germany.

My 335i was original.
The Porsche and the bimmer where even till 250 kmh .

Now I have the Procede installed.
My car feels a lot faster now.

So.......

Sorry for all the Porsche fans and functioning brain users.

ok

race a 997 turbo and report back with the results


actually....your right man...i rather have a 335i over a 996 or 997 turbo any day of the week
you gotta slow down on the heineken man

i am both a BMW and Porsche fan and not biased towards either one...but stock for stock a 996/997 turbo will eat a stock 335i anyday CARwise. now when it comes down to the driver thats a whole different thing.....
all i know is that 996/997 turbo > 335i

its funny how the ones that have driven a 996 or 997 turbo know that it would beat a 335i, yet the ones who have driven either (and probably will never) claim the 335i is faster.

like someone said in this thead, the 335i IS a great car....but lets not get carried away....

/end thread

[Tag]

Originally Posted by A. Hoogstraate

I raced one in Germany.

My 335i was original.
The Porsche and the bimmer where even till 250 kmh .

Now I have the Procede installed.
My car feels a lot faster now.

So.......

Sorry for all the Porsche fans and functioning brain users.

I find it absolutely ridiculous that this is even in question. For the record here are the specs for each car.

2005 Porsche Turbo
Horsepower: 444 hp
Max Horsepower @ 5700 rpm

Torque: 457 ft-lbs.
Max Torque @ 3500 rpm

Curb Weight: 3505 lbs.

2007 BMW 335i
Horsepower: 300 hp
Max Horsepower @ 5800 rpm

Torque: 300 ft-lbs.
Max Torque @ 1400 rpm

Curb Weight: 3571 lbs.

So either the person you were racing was a shitty driver or he was a fat ass with loads of crap in his trunk.

[techlogik]

Originally Posted by zetaxi165

Last night, I headed into town to meet up with a few friends.

I live about 20 Km ( 14 miles) out of town. The drive into town (especially on the weekend) is great - a mix of back roads and some highway.

A few minutes into the drive, I recognise 911 headlights coming up on me really fast.

Slip my car into DS and gun it. We are neck and neck most way, and pace each other until we get off the highway.

Arrive at a red light side by side. Its a '05 911 Turbo. Jet Black and pristine and all stock (obviously someone who loves his cars).

We have a quick chat - and he tells me he was really surprised with how a 330 could keep up with him. Of course, I correct him and tell him about the twin turbos.

We decide to drag at green.

BUT, I screw the launch up (basically, my phone rang and I looked down as the light turned green).

I launch about half a second after he does. But I manage to hang on and not let the distance between us increase.

What was surprising was the way the Porsche leaped forward the minute he revved the engine.

At the next traffic light (can't drag since cars in front), he tells me he is gonna have to go test drive the 335 now. - another convert possibly.

Not to rain on your parade or any of the crack/meth heads on this post. But, there is no way you could keep up with even a half ass driven 2005 996 turbo. 0-60 is about 4 seconds and 450hp.

There is just no comparison between the two or should you even mention you tried to race one. Anyone with a brain in there head and minimal knowledge would be embarassed for you and the story.

Originally Posted by tag824

I find it absolutely ridiculous that this is even in question. For the record here are the specs for each car.

2005 Porsche Turbo
Horsepower: 444 hp
Max Horsepower @ 5700 rpm

Torque: 457 ft-lbs.
Max Torque @ 3500 rpm

Curb Weight: 3505 lbs.

2007 BMW 335i
Horsepower: 300 hp
Max Horsepower @ 5800 rpm

Torque: 300 ft-lbs.
Max Torque @ 1400 rpm

Curb Weight: 3571 lbs.

So either the person you were racing was a shitty driver or he was a fat ass with loads of crap in his trunk.

No man! he saw it with his own eyes! the 335i is TEH faster then a 996/997 turbo!!! im gonna go get the keys to my 997 turbo and go to the BMW dealership and trade it in for a 335i sedan now!!

keep in mind he does live in holland so hes probably high or drunk on heineken right now....


i drive a 335 myself and back myself up as much as i can possible but come on...a 335i faster than a 996 turbo? thats beyond insanity.

i cant believe im even still wasting my time typing all this shit

Originally Posted by techlogik

Not to rain on your parade or any of the crack/meth heads on this post. But, there is no way you could keep up with even a half ass driven 2005 996 turbo. 0-60 is about 4 seconds and 420hp.

There is just no comparison between the two or should you even mention you tried to race one. Anyone with a brain in there head and minimal knowledge would be embarassed for you and the story.

+1

like i said earlier....thank god there are still people with functioning brains on this forum

[Evo8MRto335I]

In reference to the person that said that beat the Porsche 911 Turbo AWD at the track I truly believe it. In a AWD car it is a hit or miss situation, they can be great if you master the clutch launching technique but it can be even slower than a mere FWD if you don't launch them right.

I have had 9 AWD cars (8 of them turbos and one non turbo, Porsche Carrera 4), I drag raced them all of them except the 91 Stealth R/T and a 90 GSX.

Speaking of the actual race that the person had on the traffic light, I believe that the BMW wasn't too far behind. I am more and more convinced that the Autos 335is are excellent cars launching from a dead stop, they are just that good.

Basicaly what I am seeing here is the same pattern that I have been observing for months, the BMW 335i with Steptronic gives no chance to any competitor. As the Auto 335i flawlessly and effortlessly keeps advancing the competitor has trouble launching and engaging gears and or wasting time while shifting/missing/grinding.

I took my car to the track for the third time 2 weeks ago, I left in the dust a 500hp Shelby 500 gt which pulled a 2.7sec 60'. I managed a 13.7@101 agaisnt his 14.7@105.60mph. He later ran a 15.7 sec. Traction, driver, knowledge, etc, etc
My car is Step

my .2c

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Evo8MRto335I

In reference to the person that said that beat the Porsche 911 Turbo AWD at the track I truly believe it. In a AWD car it is a hit or miss situation, they can be great if you master the clutch launching technique but it can be even slower than a mere FWD if you don't launch them right.

I have had 9 AWD cars (8 of them turbos and one non turbo, Porsche Carrera 4), I drag raced them all of them except the 91 Stealth R/T and a 90 GSX.

Speaking of the actual race that the person had on the traffic light, I believe that the BMW wasn't too far behind. I am more and more convinced that the Autos 335is are excellent cars launching from a dead stop, they are just that good.

Basicaly what I am seeing here is the same pattern that I have been observing for months, the BMW 335i with Steptronic gives no chance to any competitor. As the Auto 335i flawlessly and effortlessly keeps advancing the competitor has trouble launching and engaging gears and or wasting time while shifting/missing/grinding.

I took my car to the track for the third time 2 weeks ago, I left in the dust a 500hp Shelby 500 gt which pulled a 2.7sec 60'. I managed a 13.7@101 agaisnt his 14.7@105.60mph. He later ran a 15.7 sec. Traction, driver, knowledge, etc, etc
My car is Step

my .2c

For arguments sake, what if the Porsche you were racing had a Tiptronic?

Evo8MRto335I, this is OT but how do you launch your 335? do you simply press DTC or hold it down? also do you do the brake torque technique?

[Evo8MRto335I]

Originally Posted by tag824

For arguments sake, what if the Porsche you were racing had a Tiptronic?

I don't know. I never raced a Porsche with Tiptronic. The advantage on the BMW is that it has insane torque at low rpm and basicaly the moment you slightly hit the gas it just moves forward rapidly. On other cars you have to wait for the power/torque/boost band

[CnoteMD]

With drivers with similar skill, the 996 Turbo WILL beat a 335i. However, driver skill can make all the difference. Either the Porsche driver wasn't trying, or he needs to go to driving school.

I went to a driving school at Lime Rock Park a while back, and it was very humbling to watch what a professional driver can do in a Dodge Neon. I was following in a 997 Carerra 2 (not the S version) and it was quite difficult to keep up. What was even worse was that there were 4 people in the Neon, but only myself in the Porsche).

[Evo8MRto335I]

Originally Posted by that guy nico

Evo8MRto335I, this is OT but how do you launch your 335? do you simply press DTC or hold it down? also do you do the brake torque technique?

I actually tried already absolutely evey single combo(DTC off, DTC on,DTC hald way, DS, manual shifting, launching at 1500rpm, launching at 2500rpm and my summary is that the car launches very consistent in the 2.0 mark 60'.

I think I have a total of about 30 or 31 passes at the tracks(18 passes at SIR, then 6 passes at Firebird and another 6 passes at SIR again)

I think that the Auto with some DR and wider rubber can do as good as many AWD. A 2.0 is good as it is but I think a 1.8 60' is very feasible with wider tires(275's

[Evo8MRto335I]

Originally Posted by CnoteMD

With drivers with similar skill, the 996 Turbo WILL beat a 335i. However, driver skill can make all the difference. Either the Porsche driver wasn't trying, or he needs to go to driving school.

I went to a driving school at Lime Rock Park a while back, and it was very humbling to watch what a professional driver can do in a Dodge Neon. I was following in a 997 Carerra 2 (not the S version) and it was quite difficult to keep up. What was even worse was that there were 4 people in the Neon, but only myself in the Porsche).

I agree.. that is basicly what I was refering to earlier.

Originally Posted by Evo8MRto335I

I actually tried already absolutely evey single combo(DTC off, DTC on,DTC hald way, DS, manual shifting, launching at 1500rpm, launching at 2500rpm and my summary is that the car launches very consistent in the 2.0 mark 60'.

I think I have a total of about 30 or 31 passes at the tracks(18 passes at SIR, then 6 passes at Firebird and another 6 passes at SIR again)

which combo would you say was the most effective? can give the best results?

[ducati955]

turbo porsche def faster, BUT

w/ all the mods to be out for this car, i wouldn't doubt to see some 500-600 hp 335i's within 2 yrs, they are all great cars and one day i'll buy a porsche....

but at 50k for a 335i that looks fkn insane, i am very happy!

Originally Posted by Evo8MRto335I

I don't know. I never raced a Porsche with Tiptronic.

the 997 turbo with tiptronic is believe it or not

its amazing how porsche was able to combine the tiptronic and 997 turbo into one hell of a machine!

[JoeyG]

We have a 996tt cab that I drive a ton. It's definitely faster than my 335... a lot faster.

[zetaxi165]

Originally Posted by tag824

This was a nice read, but BMW convert? I can't imagine going from a Porsche to a Bimmer. I would take a 911 Turbo over a 335i any day. Not saying the 335i is not a great car; just that if you've got the $$$ 911 all the way.

If I had the money I would have the 335 as my daily driver and a 911 Turbo type car for my weekend fun...

[Evo8MRto335I]

Originally Posted by that guy nico

the 997 turbo with tiptronic is believe it or not

its amazing how porsche was able to combine the tiptronic and 997 turbo into one hell of a machine!

Yeah, the new Porsche turbo auto is quicker from 0-60 than the manual.

Originally Posted by zetaxi165

If I had the money I would have the 335 as my daily driver and a 911 Turbo type car for my weekend fun...

<----------looks like we think the same

[Evo8MRto335I]

Originally Posted by that guy nico

which combo would you say was the most effective? can give the best results?

The last few passes I started doing DTC off and launching with the paddle shifters with great results. The issue is determing which combo is better, the car is so consistent that I almost get identical times so I couldn't really tell, sorry.

All I can tell you is that I went to Phoenix Firebird International raceway hoping to run faster but I didn't. I guess that is true that the car compensates for altitude because I went from 3100ft of SIR(Tucson) to 1250ft of Firebird(Phoenix). I typically use to improve .2-.3sec on my Evos when going from Tucson to Phoenix and I also use to trap a couple of MPH trap speeds higher.

I guess that the altitude sensor on the BMW 335i truly compensates for altitude. I am not going to believe it yet because went I went to Phoenix there was a lot of head wind so I would have to go again and run it one more time. I also need to hook the boost gauge and stop guessing..