E92 M3 vs C7 Corvette Stingray from Edmunds

[checkmate]

There is absolutely no way in hell I'm buying the next M3 or any BMW product.

The C7 is the bargain of the century fully loaded @ $62k with them having addressed every major issue on the C6. I was fairly close to owning a ZO6 3 months and couldn't be more happy that I waited.

[Kayani_1]

The M3/M4 decently equipped is way too expensive for my taste. I will take the C7 stingray any day of the week and twice on weekends.

Only way I would even consider an M3/M4 is if it was a CPO and some fool had taken the initial depreciation of $15K-20K.

Originally Posted by dmk08

I'm kind of stuck in limbo on this decision. I really want an M4 but there is no way in hell I'm paying over 80k for one when this Stingray can be had for 62. If the M4 is around 70 I'm in but I can't see paying 80 for it.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by JoeKixxon

New C7 is awesome and no one seems to be denying that. It's also up against a 5+ year old M3 design. Let's wait and see how the new M3/M4 stack up...

It will probably be the same price point as a C7 Z06 thus I would compare it to one. Not too well IMO.

A current Z06 will run circles around an e9x M3 and was in the same price range.

[Onurleft]

Originally Posted by checkmate

There is absolutely no way in hell I'm buying the next M3 or any BMW product.

The C7 is the bargain of the century fully loaded @ $62k with them having addressed every major issue on the C6. I was fairly close to owning a ZO6 3 months and couldn't be more happy that I waited.

I optioned mine (carbon removable roof, carbon trim, sport seats, graphite wheels, sueded interior package, red calipers and magnetic shocks)

$76,430 - Manual

$77,780 - Autotragic

That's about 80k assuming you get 3k off MSRP

[gthal]

Originally Posted by Onurleft

I optioned mine (carbon removable roof, carbon trim, sport seats, graphite wheels, sueded interior package, red calipers and magnetic shocks)

$76,430 - Manual

$77,780 - Autotragic

That's about 80k assuming you get 3k off MSRP

That must be EVERY option known to mankind

My car (Z51, 2LT, carbon roof, sport seats, black wheels, red calipers, performance exhaust, NAV, magnetic suspension) is $72K in CANADA!!! The only option I didn't take was the full leather interior (leather on the doors and dash) and the suede which would have added another $3'000ish. If I dropped the competition seats, it would have been $69K (incl. delivery) and it would have been less in the US. For comparison, my 2011 E92 M3 loaded was $93K CDN. All prices before taxes.

[Onurleft]

That's a pretty big difference in CN dollars.

I optioned the car how i'd get it. Assuming it's full leather like a similar M3 or 911 I got 76k. This included a factory wing, suede, graphite wheels, black paint, carbon everything. Nothing unusual just all the luxury boxes checked because without them, even the new Vette looks pretty basic around the edges

I optioned a 2013 M3 Convertible how i'd get it (cold weather, premium, black on black, dynamic dampers, 19's and I got to 78k). I know a local dealer near me was offering 9k off MSRP on 11' convertibles that were listed from 75-81k. My buddy Ryan paid 62 for his coupe with the same options sans cold weather but with DCT. Comp package would've raised it to around 68k but his car was bought in 09.

Not trying to turn this into an M3 vs Z51 as this is an old generation vs new generation car comparison.

The new M3/M4 should lap Laguna in the 39 area and run low low 12's and that's pretty quick for a grocery getter/luxury car that'll most likely tick the box at 75k optioned how you want it. If you haven't checked, it's going to be 3306lbs. It's larger then the E90 and weighs the same as the C7 Vette. If the power holds true to what the M5 did, it should make 400rwhp+ (Henessey made 400rwhp on their C7 test car).
Keep in mind Pobst lapped Laguna in the 40-41 area in the original C6 Z06 (MY 06-10). The M3 was running high 42's in 08. That's a gap but we are talking about an M3 that was literally released for testing almost 7 years ago

[i001947]

As a 2013 M3 owner, I can live with the fact that the C7 is technically better.

But here's the problem I have with Corvettes. I don't like Corvettes! Then again, I don't like Bugatti (s) either.

A car for me is more than it's technical abilities on the road. A car must have some Drama too!

[Ezio]

I heard the Z06 (Z07?) will have a TT V8.... around 600HP

DAM. and you can tune/mod a corvette.

[Kayani_1]

If you load up an M3 up with almost every option available you will be looking at $93-$95K plus car. No matter how you cut it C7 can be had for appx. $15K cheaper.

Also, no M3 comes with full leather on dash. That is an individual package full leather option that will cost thousands above a regular premium pkg M3. Also, no 911 comes with full leather on dash. It is an extra option that costs thousands in addition to having premium stuff.

Yes, M3 has daily driveability but so does C7. Only difference is that M3 can hold 4 people in a crunch. Because of that advantage it suffers from way too much weight and is less capable performance machine on track.

As for the new M3/M4 it will be more expensive then the last one. It has less power then the C7 and will not weigh less then a C7. Mark my words that a fully loaded or decently equipped M3 will be heavier then a C7 and marginally lighter then last generation M3. So far BMW always has been very good with getting hopes high on low weight with stripper base cars. All done to generate press. Then when the real car is weighed in you find out that it is not as light weight as they claim and the blame goes to all the luxury pkgs and features....lol.


As for having low 12 sec. don't get your hopes up too high as that is reserved for M5 and M6. Until the M5 and M6 graduate to mid-high 11's the M3 will not be as fast or faster. It will be quick off the line due to all the torque but not much faster on top end then the 414hp M3. As for laguna race track C7 will come out on top. It is already faster then a Porsche 911 carrera C4S with AWD.

On the side note I have a highly modified E92 M3 on GT simulator game and my lap times for stock C7 are faster then a highly modified M3. Most of the time the GT simulator game is very accurate in predicting lap times of stock cars vs other stock car. A stock E92 M3 lap times are not even in the same league as C7. So I had to go the highly modified M3.

Originally Posted by Onurleft

I optioned mine (carbon removable roof, carbon trim, sport seats, graphite wheels, sueded interior package, red calipers and magnetic shocks)

$76,430 - Manual

$77,780 - Autotragic

That's about 80k assuming you get 3k off MSRP

[swanson]

Originally Posted by Kayani_1

If you load up an M3 up with almost every option available you will be looking at $93-$95K plus car. No matter how you cut it C7 can be had for appx. $15K cheaper.

Also, no M3 comes with full leather on dash. That is an individual package full leather option that will cost thousands above a regular premium pkg M3. Also, no 911 comes with full leather on dash. It is an extra option that costs thousands in addition to having premium stuff.

Yes, M3 has daily driveability but so does C7. Only difference is that M3 can hold 4 people in a crunch. Because of that advantage it suffers from way too much weight and is less capable performance machine on track.

And dont forget that the vette also gets 30mpg.

[lve2xlr8]

Originally Posted by swanson

And dont forget that the vette also gets 30mpg.

And still has the sweet non-artificial sound of a v8

[bruce.augenstein@comcast.]

Originally Posted by Kayani_1

As for the new M3/M4 it will be more expensive then the last one. It has less power then the C7 and will not weigh less then a C7. Mark my words that a fully loaded or decently equipped M3 will be heavier then a C7 and marginally lighter then last generation M3. [B]So far BMW always has been very good with getting hopes high on low weight with stripper base cars. All done to generate press. Then when the real car is weighed in you find out that it is not as light weight as they claim and the blame goes to all the luxury pkgs and features....lol...

You make an excellent point here. My wish is that the new model actually does come out weighing not much over 3300 pounds, but your point about past BMW marketing hits home, so based on history, you're probably correct.

Originally Posted by Kayani_1

As for having low 12 sec. don't get your hopes up too high as that is reserved for M5 and M6. Until the M5 and M6 graduate to mid-high 11's the M3 will not be as fast or faster. It will be quick off the line due to all the torque but not much faster on top end then the 414hp M3. As for laguna race track C7 will come out on top. It is already faster then a Porsche 911 carrera C4S with AWD...

Another good point. The one possible brightness in this prospect is that the Competition Package may very well arrive with the good brakes, which as you must know are an Achilles heel on track with regard to E36, E46 and E9X models.

Bruce

[Killerfish2012]

Originally Posted by checkmate

There is absolutely no way in hell I'm buying the next M3 or any BMW product.

Just curious as to why you didn't like your M3 ownership experience?

[Killerfish2012]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

To be honest,things like this make me mad......sorry OP !
How can someone compare a 6.2 L engine vs 4.0 L engine ?!?!
Throw a 4.0 L in the Vette,and than we will talk again !
Or even better.... throw a 6.2 L in the ///M3 and a 4.0 L in the Vette !
Same thing we see with Merc-AMG.....6.2 L vs ///M3 ,or are this big guns needed to beat a ///M3 ?
And yes.... the answer we all know

+1. It's a silly comparison between a sports car, and a GT car. They are not even in the same category.

[Killerfish2012]

Originally Posted by thekurgan

I agree. I find it interesting, though flattering, that the car mags continually go after the M3.

America has not been asleep. Remember that the 2011 Mustang GT equalled the M3 performance for almost 1/2 the price.

[checkmate]

Originally Posted by Killerfish2012

Just curious as to why you didn't like your M3 ownership experience?

Keeping my current one for good. Forgetting the next.

[Da Hapa]

Originally Posted by Killerfish2012

America has not been asleep. Remember that the 2011 Mustang GT equalled the M3 performance for almost 1/2 the price.

As measured how?

Nothing against the Mustang GT because it's a fine car, for what it is. But I don't care what the numbers say (0-60), one lap around any road course that isn't billiard table smooth will tell you that the Mustang GT most certainly DOES NOT equal the performance of the M3.

[Killerfish2012]

Originally Posted by Da Hapa

As measured how?

Nothing against the Mustang GT because it's a fine car, for what it is. But I don't care what the numbers say (0-60), one lap around any road course that isn't billiard table smooth will tell you that the Mustang GT most certainly DOES NOT equal the performance of the M3.

By the way, this is very old, and has been discussed on here, and is pretty much accepted.

[Killerfish2012]

Originally Posted by gthal

The one thing about Edmunds is their "conclusions" sometimes don't always correspond to the content of their review

+1! Edmunds sucks. Insideline was so much better.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by Da Hapa

As measured how?

Nothing against the Mustang GT because it's a fine car, for what it is. But I don't care what the numbers say (0-60), one lap around any road course that isn't billiard table smooth will tell you that the Mustang GT most certainly DOES NOT equal the performance of the M3.

You may want to check your facts. The Mustang (the Boss 302 anyway) may not be as good of a car overall but it DOES pretty much equal the M3 in actual performance, say, on a track. Don't get me wrong, the M3 is a "better" car and I would take it over the Mustang every day and twice on Sunday but it is pretty neck and neck from a pure performance perspective.

[bruce.augenstein@comcast.]

Originally Posted by gthal

You may want to check your facts. The Mustang (the Boss 302 anyway) may not be as good of a car overall but it DOES pretty much equal the M3 in actual performance, say, on a track. Don't get me wrong, the M3 is a "better" car and I would take it over the Mustang every day and twice on Sunday but it is pretty neck and neck from a pure performance perspective.

Motor Trend's overall point was that the Mustang GT is pretty much an equal performer to a stick M3.

The Boss 302 leaves both cars for dead.

Bruce

[checkmate]

The engineering and the attention to detail that's gone into the C7 is amazing.

Check out the C7s underside: