How much faster is a GT-R than an M3 video

[dcgolfdr]

Give it a rest guys, M3 cannot compete with a GTR without dumping tens of thousands into it. Its OK. I am currently on my 2nd M3 but also had a GTR, stock for stock, no match, 30K invested into each car, still no match. I came back to the M3 for a simpler car, 6MT, RWD, no FI and lots less attention.

[carlos@velosdesignwerks]

haha, interesting thread.

[991GT3]

Originally Posted by Mthrice

The problem was that LC1, the original launch control program revved to 4700 rpms. After about 20 launches, the trany was toast! After the problems, all the 09s (many of which hadn't been sold yet) were reprogramed with LC2, which only revved to 3000 rpms. This caused much less stress on the trany and solved the problems. I believe there all the way up to LC5 now(back up around 4K rpms), but I could be wrong about that.

I don't buy that 20 launch figure but Nissan did reprogram the 09. On my first service they changed the computer settings. I never launched my 09.
When I bought a '12 and '13 they definitely tightened the operating parameters. No LC when the tranny temp was below 140 degrees and it would go into hobble mode above certain readings(though I never quite figured out what they were).

[UnaBomber]

Originally Posted by 991GT3

I don't buy that 20 launch figure but Nissan did reprogram the 09. On my first service they changed the computer settings. I never launched my 09.
When I bought a '12 and '13 they definitely tightened the operating parameters. No LC when the tranny temp was below 140 degrees and it would go into hobble mode above certain readings(though I never quite figured out what they were).

3 launches back to back without drving some to clear the ecu

[surewin]

Originally Posted by 991GT3

Warranties get voided by practically all manufacturers if there's abuse.

Not necessarily. Ridiculous warranty policies are established when there are number of cases where failure occurs due to abuse and the manufacturer is called to fix them, as was the case with Nissan. If there is simply abuse and nothing fails within the warranty time frame, the manufacturer can care less.

Nissan's policy was that warranties would be voided if customers just turned off their traction control.

Originally Posted by Z K

The GTR's transmission and diffs are a lot more robust than the M3 to handle the violence that launching the car does.

I don't know about that. They were falling apart and Nissan was voiding warranties for a reason. Unless I'm misinformed, I haven't heard of BMW doing anything similar, and I'm sure there are just as many M3 hotheads as there are GTR ones.

Nevertheless, I don't launch my car anyways because it's not a drag car. Drag racing is boring compared to the track/canyons.

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by surewin

Drag racing is boring compared to the track/canyons.

^ ^ ^ the most relevant statement in this whole thread.

[surewin]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

^ ^ ^ the most relevant statement in this whole thread.

^ ^ ^ Only read the last sentence of the last post of the thread instead of reading the context of the last 5 posts.

[991GT3]

Originally Posted by surewin

Not necessarily. Ridiculous warranty policies are established when there are number of cases where failure occurs due to abuse and the manufacturer is called to fix them, as was the case with Nissan. If there is simply abuse and nothing fails within the warranty time frame, the manufacturer can care less.

Nissan's policy was that warranties would be voided if customers just turned off their traction control.





I don't know about that. They were falling apart and Nissan was voiding warranties for a reason. Unless I'm misinformed, I haven't heard of BMW doing anything similar, and I'm sure there are just as many M3 hotheads as there are GTR ones.

Nevertheless, I don't launch my car anyways because it's not a drag car. Drag racing is boring compared to the track/canyons.

And BMW has never produced a car like the GTR that so much of its cache hung on straight line numbers(even though the GTRs real strength is the track). People beat the crap out of the first GTRs by launching them over and over again.
That said, Nissans response was weak.

[Mthrice]

Originally Posted by 991GT3

I don't buy that 20 launch figure

Ok, twenty consecutive launches That was just an estimate from what I read. Point is, the RPMs were to high at launch, for a bunch of consecutive gos

[surewin]

Originally Posted by 991GT3

And BMW has never produced a car like the GTR that so much of its cache hung on straight line numbers(even though the GTRs real strength is the track). People beat the crap out of the first GTRs by launching them over and over again.
That said, Nissans response was weak.

Yeah, I can see your point. Nissan did try to back pedal on their policy at least.

[Z K]

Originally Posted by surewin

I don't know about that. They were falling apart and Nissan was voiding warranties for a reason. Unless I'm misinformed, I haven't heard of BMW doing anything similar, and I'm sure there are just as many M3 hotheads as there are GTR ones.

Nevertheless, I don't launch my car anyways because it's not a drag car. Drag racing is boring compared to the track/canyons.

Well, if BMW made a AWD car that launched as hard as the GTR, it would have similar or worse problems. BMW doesn't make a GTR competitor and so it doesn't have to build the car to handle the stress.

As for M3 drag launch problems, people are snapping the rear diff bolts due to soft mounts in the rear of the M3 so it clearly can't take hard launches continuously.

[dcgolfdr]

Not all transmissions blow due to repeated launches since I tore a piston seal on the back stretch of VIR shifting from 3rd to 4th, I had no power mods, only suspension and brakes, and had the tranny warrantied by Nissan. I am sure if it were tuned and running catless downpipes they may have denied the claim but no different than taking the M3 into a dealer with a SC and full exhaust.

[UnaBomber]

Originally Posted by surewin

Drag racing is boring compared to the track/canyons.

i agree. nothing fun about running 13s in a m3

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by UnaBomber

i agree. nothing fun about running 13s in a m3

Even running 10s gets boring. And that was in a RWD car trying to shoot into the wall. I have never run 9s like you but I'm sure it gets boring too.

With that said I think E9x M3 are grossly under powered at this point but that's just because they are old. The M4 should have started at 500hp for the price tag it will have.

[Nordstat]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Even running 10s gets boring. And that was in a RWD car trying to shoot into the wall. I have never run 9s like you but I'm sure it gets boring too.

With that said I think E9x M3 are grossly under powered at this point but that's just because they are old. The M4 should have started at 500hp for the price tag it will have.

Given its competition at the same price point, I cannot agree more...

It would turn a LOT more heads towards BMW and wouldn't require THAT much more engineering R&D.

BMW is all about sales right now, right? Why not get EVERYONE into an M3/4?

[TahoeM3]

Originally Posted by Nordstat

Given its competition at the same price point, I cannot agree more...

It would turn a LOT more heads towards BMW and wouldn't require THAT much more engineering R&D.

BMW is all about sales right now, right? Why not get EVERYONE into an M3/4?

All they would have to do is drop an engine they already have...the s63tu...into the M4. I'm still hoping that they do that as an M4 derivative.

[Nordstat]

Originally Posted by TahoeM3

All they would have to do is drop an engine they already have...the s63tu...into the M4. I'm still hoping that they do that as an M4 derivative.

Problem is they never will. Reason being it would make the M3/4 faster than the M5/6 at a lower cost. Goes against basic business strategy...although it would be a SICK car! I give it a year before someone does it on their own dollar and look forward to the results!

[Topspeed]

Originally Posted by surewin

Not necessarily. Ridiculous warranty policies are established when there are number of cases where failure occurs due to abuse and the manufacturer is called to fix them, as was the case with Nissan. If there is simply abuse and nothing fails within the warranty time frame, the manufacturer can care less.

Nissan's policy was that warranties would be voided if customers just turned off their traction control.





I don't know about that. They were falling apart and Nissan was voiding warranties for a reason. Unless I'm misinformed, I haven't heard of BMW doing anything similar, and I'm sure there are just as many M3 hotheads as there are GTR ones.

Nevertheless, I don't launch my car anyways because it's not a drag car. Drag racing is boring compared to the track/canyons.

I had an issue with my GTR transmission which was honoured by Nissan. Since I live more than a 1000km from the Nissan HPC, my vehicle was shipped to Johannesburg at their cost and the transmission was replaced under warranty. Service from Nissan SA HPC is top notch and dare i say better or equivalent than BMW. As far as cancelling warranties go, many manufacturers will do so, if abuse can be proved. BMW SA cancelled the motorplan on a e92 M3 for "over revving". The full write up can be found at bmwfanatics.co.za.

BTW, have to agree with Unabomber, nothing exciting about drag racing my M3.

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Even running 10s gets boring. And that was in a RWD car trying to shoot into the wall. I have never run 9s like you but I'm sure it gets boring too.

I'll let you know shortly but you're probably right! I just bought a car that does 10's bone stock. And did a 9.83 with a tune and a couple bolt-ons. And is still warrantied with the tune and those bolt-ons! AND whose manufacturer doesn't give a crap if you do launch control 20 times in a row. In fact they've given the car to journalists to test and encouraged that behavior.

[Skooterbrah]

Well, now owning both i can say this. A stock 2012 up here at altitude FEELS faster then my ESS/AR 700 M3. The tq and small twin turbos makes a HUGE difference in power delivery and even if the car isn't faster, it sure as hell feels like it is. 2 days ago installed AAM mid pipe, SBD Exhaust and had a custom 91 tune (17psi vs stock 10-11ish) and I am pretty sure she will out pull the M3, even at highway speeds. I want to line them up here before i throw the downpipes, injectors, pumps, intakes, IC piping and E85 tune (20psi) because after those all go on, I know for a fact it will BLOW my ESS/AR 700 M3 out of the water from any speed.

[Skooterbrah]

And here ya go.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=923828

[mattixxg]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

GT-R got the jump and the M3 driver miss shifted. Also, M3 wasn't updated with 240E and performance filter. Outcome could have been very different..

Cocaine is a hell of a drug!

Originally Posted by Endless619

AND all of them are automatic AKA auto tragic.. Meaning I dont give a shit how fast it goes... I put a beat down on all of them on Forza 4 and I literally can call them slow ass pigs in the game.

On top of that it looks horrendous = not my cup of tea. Already been through the Nissan chain of vehicles and would never go back.

To each their own.

Yeah…I beat Micheal Jordan and Kobe Bryant on NBA 2k . Now..will that happen in real life?
I don’t think so.
In addition…try the same on Gran Turismo. A MUCH more accurate simulation.

Originally Posted by Brosef

this is why ESS makes a supercharger. problem solved.

And Switzer has turbo packages? Goes both ways buddy.

Originally Posted by Sam@ModeCarbon

+1

Originally Posted by 1SICKM

It's just the opposite when I race the GTR's...

Then Attend http://tx2k.com/
Be warned, your results may vary.

Originally Posted by BMW Fanatic

Yes I have and again the mean nothing to me, my personal opinion that to put your money where your mouth is the race should be from a dig. If you cannot hook your power then it is all a waste.



Lol. I could bring a 600hp Supra with stock internals and have it whoop our STOCK M3's... Would that make any sense to anyone? Not at all. A race should either be stock for stock or modded for modded. Pointless in sitting around here saying you whooped a 458 when you are at 700hp and that thing is stock. Also, it will still get more looks, more attention and more women that you don't know to jump into the passenger seat.

I agree. Stock for stock. When you get into the modified domain..its a pandoras box. Which can leave one embarrassed running home with a tail between their legs.

Originally Posted by UnaBomber

thats fun. put your cute little supercharger on and fat tires and run into a modded GTR and you still get shit on

LOL

Originally Posted by UnaBomber

actually the main event is a 1/4 mile dragstrip event at Lonestar Motorsports Park

everyone just watches the roll racing because the lambo boys are affraid to run their cars from a dig

Heard about that…the UGR guys right?

Originally Posted by BMW Fanatic

Lol. Can't argue with a fool. Good day Sir!

Why?
Because you disagree?
Come on man….

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Originally Posted by Skooterbrah

Not in Colorado is hasn't. =D I've ran multiple GTR's from a roll up here, everything from stock to an Alpha on E85. That alpha is my only loss gtr wise....

Then Attend http://tx2k.com/
This will let you know EXACTLY and CLEARLY where you stand.
You might lose to GTRs A LOT more than you have ever imagined you could. Not just GTRs either…Lambos, Supras…leave your ego on these forums when you attend.
Butt-hurtess and depression mixed with ego deflation may ensue afterwards.

Originally Posted by fusionchicken

isn't the gtr tranny issue like in 2009?

Yeah hes bringing up really old stuff.

Originally Posted by LiM3y

This was a beautiful 20-something year old woman, right?

LOL see what u did there…GTRs are normally sausage magnets..