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well then good luck to you getting warranty work done if you remove your cats and have an engine issue.
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Were the cats part of the original engine design?????
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Stop being a fucking dick and keep your childish insults to your self!! Mkay? And most certainly doesnt work in here! Its either Yes or No. The law does not have opinions, only facts. So when you are done being a douche bag, get back to me with legal facts about my question. "Were the catalytic converters part of the original engine design?"
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06-20-2011, 05:28 PM | #48 | |
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Back to the OPs question though. Why not look into some weight saving alternatives instead?
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"“Damage which results from negligence, improper operation of the vehicle, wear and tear or deterioration due to driving habits or conditions, improper repair, environmental influences, flood, accident or fire damage, road salt corrosion, alteration, installation of non-genuine BMW accessories, or use of improper, poor quality or contaminated fuel”
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06-20-2011, 06:20 PM | #51 | |
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I hate to use the word "never" because there are always exceptions, but I personally have never seen a warranty voided because of an exhaust.
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KGB7, with the limited amount that I have read, I think the point that TrackRat is trying to get across is that even if the vehicle was originally designed without the use of catalytic converters involved, since the warranty offered in America for vehicles delivered in America to American customers states that damage occuring from any alteration can cause a new vehicle warranty to become voided, it is possible that the removal of catalytic coverters can cause a warranty void, kind of like how anything is technically possible.
You and TrackRat seem to be arguing different points. You are stating that it is unlikely that the motor will sustain any damage due to the removal of catalytic coverters. I agree, that's why I currently use an Akrapovic Evolution system, which eliminates most of the emissions restrictions. (Wait, I don't according to my sig, mmkay?) TrackRat is stating that, although the removal of the catalytic converters is unlikely to cause engine damage, in the event that engine damage does occur, just the simple fact that the vehicle has been altered between the time that it was delivered to the customer to the time that it sustained damage can be used to void your warranty under the alteration clause. BMW USA does not warranty the vehicle based on how it was originally designed by M GmbH which I think is your point, it warranties the vehicle based off of how it left the BMW factory as manufactured for intended United States usage, which I think is TrackRat's point. |
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Actually German passenger cars have to have Cats starting 2005. They fall in to Class Euro 4 and get a emission sticker like we do here in US. I was testing his knowledge which he failed miserably.
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06-20-2011, 07:22 PM | #54 |
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I don't think anyone would say that altering the cats or other parts voids the entire warranty and I don't believe that is what TrackRat is saying. However, it can and WILL void the warrany coverage for any part of the car that the alteration would impact. My dealer told me that a slip-on is fine but if I mess with the cats and, for example, something happened to the O2 sensor, it would be on my dime. Even if the alteration didn't actually cause the problem, it would be hard to prove otherwise if there is a reasonable argument that it could have.
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06-20-2011, 07:47 PM | #55 |
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Depends what options you choose. And it won't void your engine warranty.
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You will have to go hire a lawyer and go through a lengthy and expensive legal battle all while your car sits broken. You will spend more in legal fees than if you just paid for your car to be fixed. It will takes months to resolve, and you still may not win.
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06-20-2011, 09:15 PM | #57 | |
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But you void warranty for other parts of your car. Changing out factory wheels for custom wheels is an alteration of the original vehicles design. Changing out factory anything for something else is an alteration of the original vehicle design. Thats the thing about this warranty, it is unclear what is considered an "alteration", what can be and cannot be altered from original design. And because of the way it was worded and structured, dealer can void your warranty for anything if it wants to just because it has a word "alteration" in the warranty. Btw. Cars that have an engine of 1.4L or less, are not required to have Catalytic converters in Europe, regardless who made or where it is registered.
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How about you educate your self and show me in your warranty where it state clearly; "ALTERATION OF THE VEHICLES ENGINEERED SPECIFICATIONS"! So far you have shown me word alteration about ten times, then you added your own wording out of thin air. Where in warranty does it say; ALTERATION OF THE VEHICLES ENGINEERED SPECIFICATIONS ?? Because if thats true, then you cant even change a light bulb with out voiding your warranty!
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06-20-2011, 09:34 PM | #59 |
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Dont worry dude.
You lost same exact argument over a year ago by providing false information as you continue to do so. http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=401615
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You still lost an argument to person who knows ten times more then you, who understands the warranty, the law and the entire shebang better then you!
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A stock DCT M3 coupe is a lot closer to a stock SMG M5 than you might think.
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All I can say to the OP is adding HP without voiding warranty is like cheating on you wife without any consequences. You're just asking for trouble, so why risk your warranty? But to each his own. Good luck.
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