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At Mfest Vegas Speedway the DA was very high 4000', traction was non existent in 1st and 2nd, yet the car still hit 125MPH, at Famoso the DA was much lower 800' and I hit 129, makes perfect sense, there were no major changes, and certainly no change in psi. Famoso is a much faster track than Vegas, hence the trap difference, I would rank Vegas as one of the worst when the DA is positive and that track goes uphill. AS I did before, to put it into perspective a very fast C6 Z06 trapped 118 that same night in Vegas, in good air they trap 126-129, and to put that 125trap into perspective, here's what other cars trapped. Stock E9X M3's, 13-15s @ 102-105MPH NA E46 M3's, 14-15's @ 98MPH E60 M5 13's @ 108-110MPH C6 Z06 12's @ 117-118MPH Stock E55 13-14's @ 103MPH Modded E55 - 12's @ 113MPH Highly Modded GTR on stock turbo's C16 race fuel 125MPH 2012 GTR 530HP LC, 11.4 @ 117-118MPH HPF E46 M3 Turbo STage 2 Pump + Meth, 13's @ 122-123MPH HPF E46 M3 Turbo Stage 2.5 Pump + Meth ,12's @ 127-128MPH HPF E46 M3 Turbo Stage 2.5 Race + Meth, 12's @ 132mph HPF Stage 2.75 Pump + Meth, 12's @ 129MPH HPF Stage 2.75 Race fuel + Meth (800whp) 11.64 @ 136MPH HPF Stage 4 Race Fuel + Meth (750whp) 11.00 @ 131MPH 996TT, K16's, ECU Flash, 13's @ 111mph Make sense now? Not to be harsh, but please, let's STOP equating different tracks MPH results. Also it's pretty commonly accepted that DCT is just faster than a 6MT in a straight line.
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the part of this post i would like to see answered is this. you are correct, you are across the country, so let take your times out of it. even the 123 mph runs that are on par for a 500hp 3500lb car so we have lets say 2 cars, one dct, 1 manual. equal weight, equal power, equal DA, as the tracks are in the same state, same elevation. NA both cars trap a measly (by comparison) 112 and 113 mph. where is the DCT efficiency that some are claiming? now , both cars get supercharged, both cars lay down the same hp in SAE dyno jet dynos but now all of a sudden the DCT car has a HUGE (6+ MPH advantage) well, if thats what your saying, then im glad i chose DCT for more than just the ease of commutng through traffic but i think there is more to it than just DCT oh, and DA does have an effect, but not as large as its being made out to be. maybe the 0-4k that you went through, but we are not usuing yours since again, you are across the country, so that is why we will take the 2, 3 actually cars that are local to eachother.. |
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AA id love to see some detailed information on the HKS charger, we must remember 1 psi on the vortech may be very different to 1 psi on the hks unit, its all about flow.........
id love to get a comparison on the 2 units, the vortech unit is just HUGGEE, capable of 25psi and 750+ hp......... the hks unit seems to be a tq monster...... AA can you post some detailed specs and maybe even some pics of the unit please.... if someone could chime in about what FLOW actually means for the mere mortals amongst us, and the differences that can happen between 2 different blowers pushing 7-8psi.
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"At a private event at Famoso last year, all the N/A 6MT M3's were trapping in the 108-112 range, I trapped 114-116, even with less power." It's not a claim it's a fact, the DCT car for the most part will be faster. Quote:
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well, going by tha data im trying to dig up right now, ath the 7psi that people have shown, the hp per psi is equal. now which one will run out of their efficieny range at higher boost, i dont know yet. but currently hp/psi is equal @ 7psi |
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Let's just say we don't see eye to eye on how DA can drastically affect a cars performance, and how well the DCT performs vs. the 6MT, fair enough you did come around on a few points at least.
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here is the first run posted. track and time available this is the correction for a NEGATIVE DA now the other Manual M3- time is not known so i picked the absloute worst time of the day, about 453pm the DCT AA M3- time also unknown, so used worst DA time, about 3:23 pm and there you have a swing of about 2500' and about 1mph variance from actual time, be it FI or NA if i had your slips, the 123 and 127 mph runs, i will gladly take a look at the variations as well |
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05-25-2011, 03:24 PM | #231 |
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thats a cool program where is that from? or how do i learn to use it?
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its a tool on dragtimes.com
gorgeous car BTW, i saw it in the corner at that meet and was coming over when you were revving it, but you had it off by the time i got there, and the crowd was too big for me to ask you to do it again. |
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thats sick i never knew that. thanks a lot appreciate it. I would have gave her a few more revs if you asked.
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Stop trying to speculate that there was some significant change between my car's 125 trap and 129 trap, there wasn't, let it go. It is quite evident that you didn't just pop up in this thread out of curiosity. I believe you have a history of doubting ESS cars? http://s114.photobucket.com/home/steven09999 Hi Steven, aka Lost Marine. Excellent run in your 335I BTW! Regardless, this is why you need to take actual 1/4 mile runs as more solid empirical evidence or data of what the cars trap in different DA's / different tracks etc. Using a corrected slip is a joke, wouldn't you think? Although there is nothing wrong with using the dragtimes tool to see what the possible outcome might be, I've done plenty to know that the dragtimes calculator is not the end all be all to facts (although a nice tool) that is simply a guesstimate. Seeing a 4MPH difference in traps between Vegas and Famoso is quite normal, especially when you put things into proper perspective and what a slew of other cars did as well.
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thats got to be wrong surely otherwise both kits would show the same power.... i can however tell you the v3si is at its best uptop for sure :-) the 7-9psi we run on this is No-where the near the potential of what the v3si can do.......
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if its Lm than . Welcome to the board bro.
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HKS GTS8550: 100,000 rpm 24 psi 925 CFM (~620hp) 12 lbs 60,000 mile oil change intervals 1 year warranty $3250 MSRP Vortech V3 Si: 52,000 rpm 22 psi 1150 CFM (~775hp) 18 lbs 2,500 mile oil change (break-in), 7,500 mile intervals thereafter 1 year warranty $2400 MSRP Last edited by spdu4ea; 05-25-2011 at 06:36 PM.. |
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Could have, I'm just going from Vortech's website... (http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/...008543v3.0.pdf). HKS's website says 1 year in one place, and 2 years in another -- so I just went with 1 year to be safe.
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