How WIDE do you want it?

asdflkijd · 12-06-2008, 08:28 PM

I've been eyeballing several wide angle lenses for a while now and I'm slowly getting closer to purchasing one...

I've narrowed it down to:
-Canon 10-22mm
-Tokina 11-16mm

I can't choose... I've heard the Tokina is sharper but the Canon is wider.. and I would be mainly shooting landscape/ architecture so the extra width could really help.. What do you guys think? And also whats the gripe about buying used lenses? Do you guys recommend it at all? I'm assuming that if I find one in mint condition, it wouldn't be a problem. Thanks in advance.

asdflkijd · 12-06-2008, 08:41 PM

and also the tamron/ canon 17-50mm, do you think I would need the extra range though?

UdubBadger · 12-06-2008, 09:41 PM

i have a tokina 10-18mm

asdflkijd · 12-06-2008, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by UdubBadger

i have a tokina 10-18mm

Hows that? Any samples?

E90ice · 12-06-2008, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by asdflkijd

Hows that? Any samples?

No, sorry

UdubBadger · 12-06-2008, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by asdflkijd

Hows that? Any samples?

hold on i'll find some

asdflkijd · 12-06-2008, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by E90ice

No, sorry

gtfo chirs!

UdubBadger · 12-06-2008, 11:11 PM

10mm

12mm

18mm

asdflkijd · 12-06-2008, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by UdubBadger

10mm

12mm

18mm

oooo I like the first one

thanks! I'll have too look into it.

vachss · 12-06-2008, 11:57 PM

I've had the 10-22 for a few years now. Good lens and I'd recommend it, but the corners are somewhat soft. I've heard that the 11-16 does better in this regard, and I'd get one if I wasn't planning to upgrade to full frame early next year. Here's a few random 10-22 scenic shots, the first couple at 14mm, the next couple at 10 and the last the obligatory Z4 shot at 14. I certainly don't find the 10-22 to be "too wide" on a crop frame body.

asdflkijd · 12-07-2008, 12:05 AM

So you recommend getting the 11-16 instead? nice pictures btw

vachss · 12-07-2008, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by asdflkijd

So you recommend getting the 11-16 instead?

If I were buying another ultrawide for crop format today, yes I'd probably choose the 11-16 over the 10-22, both for the potentially better sharpness (though I might want to cherry pick a good copy) and the times I've wanted f/2.8 in a wide lens. In fairness though, I haven't shot with an 11-16 and am just going by reviews I've seen.

snipersix · 12-07-2008, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by asdflkijd

and also the tamron/ canon 17-50mm, do you think I would need the extra range though?

I got a tamron 11-18mm with 77mm UV filter for sale

asdflkijd · 12-07-2008, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by snipersix

I got a tamron 11-18mm with 77mm UV filter for sale

Pm'd you

TWiTCHY · 12-07-2008, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by UdubBadger

10mm

12mm

18mm

My lens at 10mm does not look like that. Is it because I have a cropped frame or something?

spectrumphoto · 12-07-2008, 03:53 AM

Canon 14mm f2.8L USM Rectilinear lens is the only way to go...

asdflkijd · 12-07-2008, 04:09 AM

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Canon 14mm f2.8L USM Rectilinear lens is the only way to go...

That is so out of my league and budget its not even funny....

one day..

UdubBadger · 12-07-2008, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TWiTCHY

My lens at 10mm does not look like that. Is it because I have a cropped frame or something?

most likely

vachss · 12-07-2008, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by UdubBadger

most likely

Assuming what you have is the 10-17 Tokina Fisheye zoom then I would think the reason the shots from his lens at 10mm don't look like yours is more likely the difference between Fisheye and rectilinear distortion.

TWiTCHY · 12-07-2008, 02:13 PM

People have been telling me that because the D60 doesn't have a full-frame, 10mm is most likely seen as 15mm instead because it has a 1.5x crop factor or something. Agh!

vachss · 12-07-2008, 02:41 PM

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People have been telling me that because the D60 doesn't have a full-frame, 10mm is most likely seen as 15mm instead because it has a 1.5x crop factor or something. Agh!

While that's true as far as it goes, the fact of the matter is that full frame ultrawide angles are almost always longer than 10mm (the Sigma 12-24 is the widest fullframe lens I know of). The zooms that range down to 10-11mm are typically designed to work only with crop frame cameras and replicate the effect of conventional full frame ultrawides that go down to 16-18mm.

So you're not missing something by using a crop frame camera with a 10mm lens. Rather, you are using a specialized crop-frame lens that is allowing you to do what an conventional ultrawide angle lens will do on a fullframe camera.

asdflkijd · 12-07-2008, 08:29 PM

so.. still trying to decide between a canon 10-22mm or a tokina 11-16.

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vachss Captain 55 Rep 815 Posts Drives: Z4 Coupe Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ventura County, CA iTrader: (1)	I've had the 10-22 for a few years now. Good lens and I'd recommend it, but the corners are somewhat soft. I've heard that the 11-16 does better in this regard, and I'd get one if I wasn't planning to upgrade to full frame early next year. Here's a few random 10-22 scenic shots, the first couple at 14mm, the next couple at 10 and the last the obligatory Z4 shot at 14. I certainly don't find the 10-22 to be "too wide" on a crop frame body.
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