275/30 and 295/30

M3 Pilot · 08-23-2013, 10:00 AM

About to pull the trigger for some Michelin PSS tyres tomorrow. I have 2013 E92 ZCP M3, OEM suspension.

Did tons of searches.

Quite confident that E92 ZCP will do fine with front 265/30 and rear 295/30

I'm not so confident about front 275/30.

Those of you running 265/30s and 275/30s front, do you get any rubbing when cornering under load ?

The only reason for trying 275 is to get the OD similar to the rear.

Any help is appreciated !

slicer · 08-23-2013, 10:35 AM

What wheels are you installing those tires onto? If you are installing them on ZCP wheels I would not recommend it. ZCP wheels are only 9" and 10" wide. Those widths are too narrow for 275/295's. It can be done and it is within spec for most tires but it's still not ideal. Tire performance is best when the tire and wheel widths are well-matched - allowing the wheel to support the tire's side-wall. I think that 255/35/19 and 275/35/19 are a much better match for ZCP wheel widths. That being said, I have run 275/30/19 Yokohama AD08's (which run very wide and square) on 9" front wheels with an offset of et20. No rubbing for me. The OEM ZCP fronts are et31; so I had the equivalent of a 12mm spacer with a ZCP wheel. Based on my experience, the tire sizes will work but again, I wouldn't recommend it.

M3 Pilot · 08-23-2013, 10:38 AM

ZCP Wheels.

I understand them to be 9" front which may be too much of rubber with 275.

Just trying to figure out if I can achieve same OD with 295s in the back.

slicer · 08-23-2013, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by M3 Pilot

ZCP Wheels.

I understand them to be 9" front which may be too much of rubber with 275.

Just trying to figure out if I can achieve same OD with 295s in the back.

What do you mean by "same OD with the 295"? A 275/30/19 is very close in OD as the OEM 245/35/19 tires but not the same as the 295/30/19. That being said, I try to run tires with OD's that are as close as possible to OEM. At the very least, I make sure the rear OD is equal to or larger than the front OD. The 275/295 combo is great in that it does offer the closest OD's to stock with larger tires.

M3 Pilot · 08-23-2013, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by slicer

What do you mean by "same OD with the 295"? A 275/30/19 is very close in OD as the OEM 245/35/19 tires but not the same as the 295/30/19. That being said, I try to run tires with OD's that are as close as possible to OEM. At the very least, I make sure the rear OD is equal to or larger than the front OD. The 275/295 combo is great in that it does offer the closest OD's to stock with larger tires.

Sorry I meant similar OD between 245/35 and 275/30.

Which is why I'm leaning towards 275/30 instead of 265/30.

I just need to know if 275/30 front will rub when under high corner load.

okusa · 08-23-2013, 11:06 AM

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I just need to know if 275/30 front will rub when under high corner load.

I've been running them for nearly 6 months and have had zero rub up front.

M3 Pilot · 08-23-2013, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by okusa

I've been running them for nearly 6 months and have had zero rub up front.

Awesome. Have you tried cornering under load, full lock, etc. ?

okusa · 08-23-2013, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by M3 Pilot

Awesome. Have you tried cornering under load, full lock, etc. ?

No, sorry. I never drive over 65 or 3k rpm...

slicer · 08-23-2013, 11:27 AM

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No, sorry. I never drive over 65 or 3k rpm...

Me neither.

NELSON.MLGB · 08-23-2013, 11:33 AM

275 295 with ZCP is just too greedy, wider does not mean better. I run 255 275 like slicer stated, 275 295 will cause you some trouble one day.

jra85 · 08-23-2013, 11:44 AM

Running 275/295 PSS on E92 ZCP with no issues. Ever so slight rubbing on rears with hard cornering when they were brand new, but it wasn't even audible and seems to have rubbed off enough to have stopped.

4corners · 08-23-2013, 12:23 PM

275/30 19 in front with no issues whatsoever

signes · 08-23-2013, 12:36 PM

I ran 275/30 AD08s up front on 9" wide front, only minor rubbing, but it was too wide for the wheel. Lost steering feel, felt very heavy and when pushed hard (esp at the track) did not perform well. I downsized to 255/35 & 285/30 and am very happy. Have basically the same grip with much better feel, no rubbing at all and perfect appearance.

M3 Pilot · 08-23-2013, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JAdamz

Running 275/295 PSS on E92 ZCP with no issues. Ever so slight rubbing on rears with hard cornering when they were brand new, but it wasn't even audible and seems to have rubbed off enough to have stopped.

I was kind of worried about the 295s. In my searches, the impression is that PSS 295s in the rear are fine with E92. On E90s there may be a slight rub.

The reason why I asked if these tyres would rub is because there is a difference between driving around daily and driving around the track.

At tire's traction limit, the suspension will be under higher compression as compared to daily driving which then increases risk of rubbing.

Thanks for your feedback !

M3 Pilot · 08-23-2013, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 4corners

275/30 19 in front with no issues whatsoever

Thanks

M3 Pilot · 08-23-2013, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by signes

I ran 275/30 AD08s up front on 9" wide front, only minor rubbing, but it was too wide for the wheel. Lost steering feel, felt very heavy and when pushed hard (esp at the track) did not perform well. I downsized to 255/35 & 285/30 and am very happy. Have basically the same grip with much better feel, no rubbing at all and perfect appearance.

I'm not keen in 275/30 fronts either but just trying to justify getting OD as close to OEM as possible.

Due to lack of tire stocks(3-4 mths wait), its either OEM sizes or

Front: 255/35, 265/30, 275/30
Rear: 275/35, 295/30

My preferred choice is still 255/35 and 285/30 GTS set up. I know 255/275 can be done but I want a minimum of 285 in the rears for ZCP.

I will go with 265/295 set up.

Thanks for your feedback !

M3/4 life · 08-23-2013, 09:05 PM

I'm going to be running PSS 255/35/19 f 295/30/19 r however I'm using aftermarket wheels 19x8.5 front 19x11 rear.

M3 Pilot · 08-23-2013, 09:24 PM

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I'm going to be running PSS 255/35/19 f 295/30/19 r however I'm using aftermarket wheels 19x8.5 front 19x11 rear.

Nice.

Post up some photos once you get them fitted.

M3/4 life · 08-23-2013, 09:35 PM

Most definitely will!

Tires came in yesterday still waiting on the wheels, I was told 4 to 5 weeks on the wheels, so I still have at least 2 weeks left for the wheels to arrive.

///M Ryder · 08-23-2013, 09:40 PM

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I will go with 265/295 set up.

Good choice......been running this set up for a while now. Initially ran it on my ZCP wheels and now on CH-R's.......19x9.5 front and 19x10.5 rear..........Phil

STi_traitor · 08-23-2013, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by M3 Pilot

I will go with 265/295 set up.

+1

I will be doing the same on my soon to be set up.

18x9.5/10.5

265/35/18

295/30or35/18

slicer · 08-24-2013, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by STi_traitor

+1

I will be doing the same on my soon to be set up.

18x9.5/10.5

265/35/18

295/30or35/18

Why not 275/35/18 in the front?

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M3 Pilot Lieutenant 74 Rep 478 Posts Drives: 17' F80 M3 ZCP Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Australia iTrader: (0)	275/30 and 295/30 About to pull the trigger for some Michelin PSS tyres tomorrow. I have 2013 E92 ZCP M3, OEM suspension. Did tons of searches. Quite confident that E92 ZCP will do fine with front 265/30 and rear 295/30 I'm not so confident about front 275/30. Those of you running 265/30s and 275/30s front, do you get any rubbing when cornering under load ? The only reason for trying 275 is to get the OD similar to the rear. Any help is appreciated !
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slicer Major General 2738 Rep 6,734 Posts Drives: 'E46 M3 Race Car, '23 X7 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wisconsin - Instagram - @slicer_m iTrader: (39)	What wheels are you installing those tires onto? If you are installing them on ZCP wheels I would not recommend it. ZCP wheels are only 9" and 10" wide. Those widths are too narrow for 275/295's. It can be done and it is within spec for most tires but it's still not ideal. Tire performance is best when the tire and wheel widths are well-matched - allowing the wheel to support the tire's side-wall. I think that 255/35/19 and 275/35/19 are a much better match for ZCP wheel widths. That being said, I have run 275/30/19 Yokohama AD08's (which run very wide and square) on 9" front wheels with an offset of et20. No rubbing for me. The OEM ZCP fronts are et31; so I had the equivalent of a 12mm spacer with a ZCP wheel. Based on my experience, the tire sizes will work but again, I wouldn't recommend it. __________________ '23 X7 '04 M3 - Fall Line Motorsports Built Race Car - S65 swap, Dry Sump, Bosch Stand-Alone ECU, Drenth Sequential Trans, MCS 3-Way, Flossmann Wide Body, Brembo Motorsports Brakes, Drexler LSD, BBS E88 Etc. INSTAGRAM - @Slicer_M Last edited by slicer; 08-23-2013 at 10:41 AM..
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M3 Pilot Lieutenant 74 Rep 478 Posts Drives: 17' F80 M3 ZCP Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Australia iTrader: (0)	ZCP Wheels. I understand them to be 9" front which may be too much of rubber with 275. Just trying to figure out if I can achieve same OD with 295s in the back.
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NELSON.MLGB Captain 41 Rep 702 Posts Drives: 2010 E92 JB M3 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Calgary,AB iTrader: (2)	275 295 with ZCP is just too greedy, wider does not mean better. I run 255 275 like slicer stated, 275 295 will cause you some trouble one day.
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jra85 M3NTAL 132 Rep 608 Posts Drives: 2011 E92 M3 ZCP Join Date: May 2010 Location: Long Island, NY iTrader: (1)	Running 275/295 PSS on E92 ZCP with no issues. Ever so slight rubbing on rears with hard cornering when they were brand new, but it wasn't even audible and seems to have rubbed off enough to have stopped.
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M3/4 life First Lieutenant 24 Rep 368 Posts Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: League City, Texas iTrader: (0) Garage List 2013 BMW X5 [0.00] 2009 BMW M3 [0.00]	I'm going to be running PSS 255/35/19 f 295/30/19 r however I'm using aftermarket wheels 19x8.5 front 19x11 rear. __________________ 2009 E92 M3 DCT: BPM tune + DCT tune & Servotronic \| Velos Solo VII 19x 8.5, 19x11 \| Michelin Pilot Super Sport 255/35/19 front 295/30/19 rear \| M Performance Exhaust \| BCM Air Intake Filter
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