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11-11-2007, 04:28 PM | #89 |
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^ at 68k, ill put in 2 more thousand and take a Nissan GTR!
please let the VERT be like 65k!
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Am not a betting man...but $<60k and above $54k is where my $$ is at. Otherwise I'll keep my Carrera and be just fine. Sad NOT to have the M3 next summer but fine! They'll be on CPO in 12-24 months for sure. Remember guys/gals this has happened before and its not like they've invented the wheel or someting. It too will come to pass...and hopefully things will settle down as BMW NA announces "something" in the few week between now, Xmas, and New Years! Hopefully we'll all get a nice present in the stockings/under the trees instead of a lump of coal when it comes to the price/options! Guess till then it will depend on how naughty or nice BMW NA wants to be to us next year...NOT how good we've been to them!
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11-12-2007, 12:22 AM | #92 |
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Facts that only serve to solidify the value of the m3 for me. Basically, a world class sports GT for the same price as the "every man's midsize luxury cruiser" that you will see a half dozen or more of on your way to work.
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I have an 08 M3 on order so I am not "hating" or anything on the car...I mean I can't hate on anything that I'm about to spend $50-60k on now can I but I think the performance comparisions you make are way off the mark. They are two different cars and classes. The 997 is a sports coupe period...one of the closest performance supercars/racing cars you can get to legally drive on the street. It makes you do all things well and rides like it is on rails, accelerates cleanly and the engine and shifter is smoother than butter. The M3 (an I am speaking of my former e46 here) is a sports sedan, it's heavier and takes more effort to drive faster and quickly than the 997. Anybody who has driven the two side by side on a regular basis will say so. The e46 again acclerates cleanly but revs higher and is slightly more edgy and you have to work more at it to drive it fast and at the same level as the 997. I compare it to having two kids with ADHD. They both are hyper and you know it...the 997 is the kid after he's taken his Ritalin...he's calmer and focused but still hyper however he gets his work done. The M3 is your kid before the Ritalin..he's hyper and bouncing off the walls..he's focused but still a little energetic so you gotta put more effort to get the work done! That said I look forward to bringing what I call "balance to the force" with the new 08 M3 cause although I do have the 997 for those "ADHD" momments; they both do it all so well that it's nice to chose between them and drive em both! See ya!
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Oh I was NOT comparing the two...I was commenting on the comparision in prices and performance (see later post) that had previously been made. I have fit my whole family by the way in my 996 and my 997. Kids fit just fine in the back seats...those under the age of 8-10 that is. A buddy of mine put his wife back there on a recent drive with his mother in law in his 07 997 Targa...now I wouldn't go THAT far but hey it worked. Granted I realize that most folks need more than 2 seats and for them the M3 makes sense however if you go JUST on price..considering performance and value/depreciation and if you want to look at exclusivity as you mention (fine...not my fully cup of tea) then my point was at $60-70k unless you just NEED an M3 there are multiple alternatives for the price which you could probably live with and really enjoy if you looked. For me when I got rid of my 996 and my M3 (at the same time..was buyin a new house) it was a matter of what I could live without (car wise) and what I'd regret the most giving up...I got my 997 cause while I could do without the M3; I'd be seriously pissed without the 997. (I did know a new one was on the horizon but don't tell the wifey that one..heh..heh) You don't seen them as was mentioned before "on every corner" so that held a little weight too but not that much. I guess my point is...unless the M name or the seats (need to haul folks or carry alot of gear) is a dealbreaker then the 997 (used) IS an option and one that will hold its value...hoping that the M3 holds its value more than all the M5's out there have been lately. (my 997 still lists for $56-60k trade/$60-64k retail in KBB...and I paid $67k for it in Aug 06 CPO'd!) That's all I was saying...your point on space is well taken and true.
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Even more than that when you consider a 335i is eligible for ED and even discounts from ED MSRP. I received a quote for a PP, SP, met. paint, heated seats, CA 335i including $1000 for the trip @ $39.7K.
I almost went for it, but a local dealer had one on the lot I couldn't resist... |
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As you mentioned, I agree, based on only price vs performance, I too would be heading for a 997 (specifically I LOVE the new GT2), though that still might happen even after getting the E93 M3 Sedan, for those fun drives by myself!
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As for the backseat...I guess he loves his mother in law more than his wife....I've been back there for short drives (i.e. two buddies or family member up front when I just wasn't ready to give them keys and let em rip on their lonesome) and its not that bad. My kids love it when I pick them up from school in it and other than stacking bookbags in the trunk up front...it's not that bad a daily driver. Just don't plan on picking up the new plasma TV or going Xmas shopping in it unless you don't mind riding with your packages up front with you or making multiple trips! You plan a little more accordingly when driving it! LOL
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I completely spaced!!! Both my M3s are SMG also...
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I am willing to pay in Turkey for an almost fully loaded E92 M3 about ~150.000 Euros which about $220.000. If it costs anymore, I will either buy an M5 again or a Carrera S.
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Just to make sure we are abundantly clear here. I do not own and have not driven a E92 M3. I also have not owned nor driven a 997S. The great thing about this is that those details, as well as your ownership history, are 100% irrelevant to this discussion. Plain and simply: E92 M3 >> 997 for performance (non S model) E92 M3 > 997S in many cases 997S > E92 M3 in some performance metrics If you care to weight performance achievements by price you then will have E92 M3 >>> 997S (P.S. I know we don't have an official price yet, but we all know about where it will be. Simply use the prices in other countries for this price dependent argument if needed.) |
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Lastly, the 911 is built as a sports car first, not a 4 seat compromise. You get what you pay for. Last edited by devo; 11-12-2007 at 05:20 PM.. |
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@devo, I have posted your numbers for you, even the outliers! I realize the editing of this list and getting to south's suggestion that all new entities be in blue is a bit tedious (although no more tedious than making a simple html web page...). Like lucid said, provide your numbers, provide a link or proof and we will be happy to post it up for you. BTW no idea about your fanboy reference above... I have an E36 M3, used to have an E46 M3 and have very serious plans to get an E92 M3. What is fanboy about my admissions? |
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You guys also can send me a PM if you want to have anything added to this list, then I do the tedious job! Sorry for the OT Best regards, south |
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