Up late on a Thursday

[Day Laborer]

Keep the money for yourself, ship your kids off to the military.
The new GI Bill will pays better than any scholarship or grant (combined) out there

[Kdawgm3]

Better put em through school. Otherwise, who's going to support you when you're old and broke after spending all your money on cars?

[AMOCHOSTO]

Does the UK even have a GI bill? I know Canada has something similar.

[Sleeper519]

Originally Posted by Singletrack

Well I'm saying "fuck the kids".

Now I want you to listen to me right now, no, no, no!

I'm not saying "fuck the KIDS."

I'm saying fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck the kids!

You think you're helping them!? I've got a news flash for you BROTHA!

please explain, BROTHA....

Originally Posted by SUB-ZERO

Respect also comes from paying your own way through college. What ever happened to working hard for scholarships or joining the military to help pay your college? Kids now-a-days just expect parents to pay for everything.

-SZ

Other than feeding, clothing, and loving them, educating your kids is the single most important thing you can provide for them. The new cars that you buy them will eventually rust away and be worth nothing. An education is something that nobody can ever take away from you...

My middle son worked his ass off and got a full-ride to Vanderbuilt (good for him and us). Now he wants to go to medical school (they give no scholarships for that), so I"m going to pay for the tuition so he won't be saddled with 6-figures worth of debt when he gets out and works 120hrs/wk as a Resident for minimal wage for 5 years and gets his first "real"-paying job at age 30.....That's my gift to him, who is working his bright little ass off to make a better way for himself. That's just what a parent does, if they have the means.

On a lighter note, with his future more secure now, I can go out and spend his inheritance on that Modena I've been eyeing!

[e46e92love]

I say screw the kids, buy the car, and let them fend for themselves......















Just kidding, your doing the right thing.

Cheers,
e46e92

[chmura]

Get the car!

Dude, my parents helped me out but I had to pay for my OWN school. That is what Federal Student Loans are for.

[Nawaaz]

Originally Posted by Nawaaz

I can relate, OP.

I have a HUGE desire for all sorts of performance cars.

LOL, all I think about is how I'm gonna work my way towards getting myself a garage full of exotics one day.

I should've mentioned within my post that I have a 2 yr old daughter.

Despite my intense desire for certain cars, she'll always be my first priority.

That's the responsibility I took upon myself when she came into my life.

And I'm very happy to put her needs & requirements in front of the things that I'm after.

(And when she's all happy and taken care of, I'll then go after that Ferrari that I've always wanted LOL )

[mtla4]

Tell them...look kids student loans are there for a reason

[frenchM3dreamer]

Originally Posted by Leg

I like to stay up late Thursdays. House is quiet, wife and kids asleep. Glass of wine.

I usually end up on Pistonheads looking at the classifieds.

I swear, if it wasnt for school fees I would add a 355 to the garage. I usually find I have a passionate desire for a car. I wanted an M3, I wanted a JCW. I want a 355, I want a Peugeot 205Gti 1.9 (had one when I was 19) and I want a Ford Escort RS2000 and a Mercedes 300SL Gullwing.

The question is, do Children really need that much education?
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NO... you'll pay for their education, they'll get a good degree, then they'll fuck off somewhere and never come back to say hello... and in the meantime, you wont be driving the 355 of your dreams... screw the kids, get your dream car

[swamp2]

Don't do it. Your M3 is faster, strip and track!

Well, I understand the point. What a sounds and driving experience. I can't wait to hear some high quality videos of the racier 458.

[mocsman]

teach them yourself and tell them: "What I don't know... You won't know!"
of course i'm kidding... i'd give everything for my family

[Bob MG]

The thing with Ferrari's are that once you have one, its cool for the first three months, then you end up wondering it its worth the money. Trust me I have had a Challenge Stradale for 18 months. I traded my Porsche GT2 in for it, paid in around $157k, and regret it still to this day!!

Italian trash IMO, the M3 DCT is the best money for your buck, and now that I have Akrapovic, Brembo, HRE and KWV3 mods, its about the best car Ive had period!!

I have the money to buy another Ferrari, but its not worth the $$$ You are lucky you can afford an M3, enjoy it and know you have made the right choice!!

This is a pic of my Ferris CS, nice to look at, but not nice for the $360k it costs in SA. For perspective, a new M3 DCT costs $121k fully loaded. We have high import duties at 60%

[JCtx]

Originally Posted by Leg

I swear, if it wasnt for school fees I would add a 355 to the garage. The question is, do Children really need that much education?

Seems to me you regret having kids . Too late now, so own up to them and think about cars when you're done.

Originally Posted by andrewabf

The thing with Ferrari's are that once you have one, its cool for the first three months, then you end up wondering it its worth the money. Trust me I have had a Challenge Stradale for 18 months. I traded my Porsche GT2 in for it, paid in around $157k, and regret it still to this day!!

You're a smart and honest man .
I always thought of them as the 'ultimate driving machine'... until I learned about cars. For starters, I don't like how they sound. And contrary to popular belief, V8s started life in the 19th century with a flat-plane crank, and continued for centuries, until technology allowed manufacturing of the cross-plane crank in the 1940s. And before the 430, they use timing BELTS, which require replacement every 3 years or 15K miles; RIDICULOUS. And to add insult to injury, you have to pay tens of thousands of dollars over their true value due to demand. I could buy one now if I wanted to, but I have no desire, even if I hit the jackpot. Even cars with less than 10K miles have plastic window switches peeling off, and excessive wear not even expected on a Kia. Ferrari ownership is strictly an ego-driven decision IMO. Just like you, I don't need anything more than an M3. Heck, I even regretted spending the money on my M3, but at least I have the best driving machine money can buy IMO. Yeah, you can spend a ton more money on a car, but you wouldn't get your money's worth, at least from the driving perspective. Good day gang.

[Singletrack]

You don't like how Ferraris sound?

I stopped listening after that - sorry.

[JIO]

I put my kids up for sale on eBay...I didn't a single bid. he he

[Bob MG]

Originally Posted by elp_jc

Seems to me you regret having kids . Too late now, so own up to them and think about cars when you're done.


You're a smart and honest man .
I always thought of them as the 'ultimate driving machine'... until I learned about cars. For starters, I don't like how they sound. And contrary to popular belief, V8s started life in the 19th century with a flat-plane crank, and continued for centuries, until technology allowed manufacturing of the cross-plane crank in the 1940s. And before the 430, they use timing BELTS, which require replacement every 3 years or 15K miles; RIDICULOUS. And to add insult to injury, you have to pay tens of thousands of dollars over their true value due to demand. I could buy one now if I wanted to, but I have no desire, even if I hit the jackpot. Even cars with less than 10K miles have plastic window switches peeling off, and excessive wear not even expected on a Kia. Ferrari ownership is strictly an ego-driven decision IMO. Just like you, I don't need anything more than an M3. Heck, I even regretted spending the money on my M3, but at least I have the best driving machine money can buy IMO. Yeah, you can spend a ton more money on a car, but you wouldn't get your money's worth, at least from the driving perspective. Good day gang.

Thats right, my CS had 3000kms on it but was three years old when I bought it and I had to replace the timing belt. What a load of shit!! Plus it couldn't handle for shit either.

Sound was way too loud, sounded like a super bike!!. It is definitely for egos, rather than intelligent car enthusiasts. Porsche GT3 RS any day of the week for less money

[Leg]

lol some funny posts (you all knew I was joking right? Like I would choose any car over my sons/wife's well being).

Saving up to fill that third garage but it wont be a Fezza, something light, fast and trackable. Have to save up though, dont do credit.

[SS32]

Originally Posted by andrewabf

Plus it couldn't handle for shit either.

I find that hard to believe.

[Leozap]

Some people never want to have kids...

[Mr Tonka]

what happen to kids having to pay for their own school? i don't get it... it's not written in the parents handbook that you have to put your kids through school.

[ploo]

Originally Posted by andrewabf

The thing with Ferrari's are that once you have one, its cool for the first three months, then you end up wondering it its worth the money. Trust me I have had a Challenge Stradale for 18 months. I traded my Porsche GT2 in for it, paid in around $157k, and regret it still to this day!!

Italian trash IMO, the M3 DCT is the best money for your buck, and now that I have Akrapovic, Brembo, HRE and KWV3 mods, its about the best car Ive had period!!

I have the money to buy another Ferrari, but its not worth the $$$ You are lucky you can afford an M3, enjoy it and know you have made the right choice!!

This is a pic of my Ferris CS, nice to look at, but not nice for the $360k it costs in SA. For perspective, a new M3 DCT costs $121k fully loaded. We have high import duties at 60%

I've figured the true running cost of a late-model ferrari (e.g. a 430 spyder or worse yet, the incoming 458 italia) at $20-$30k USD a year when you combine depreciation, maintenance, having to buy a used F-car from the dealership to get on the list for the new one, etc. Was that comparable to your experience? Your price for the CS vs M3 DCT seems to be a comparable percentage differential for the US market; 08 Scud coupes are now ~230K while an E92 is about 72K fully loaded...

However, was the CS not soul-stirring and exhilirating every time you drove it? Didn't you expect to hear every rock your tires kicked up against your undercarriage? I'll trade hearing every pebble for the ability to feel every pebble under my tires And the exhaust note is glorious IMHO on those CS's, after having heard a couple, both stock and Tubi.

I ask because I've always had that dream of owning an F-car one day for sheer love of the car, it's always been one of those dreams of mine when I am ready to take the financial hit. Pose factor, depreciation, dealership BS notwithstanding, at the end of the day, I foresee myself sneaking into the garage at all hours of the night just to stare at my baby, kind of like I do with my E92 now I've heard the comment "it's a stupid decision, but every car nut must own a Ferrari once" far more often than your complete regret, which is why I'm intrigued. Perhaps my (and several other members here, it looks like) dream is more fantasy than reality?

Originally Posted by elp_jc

Seems to me you regret having kids . Too late now, so own up to them and think about cars when you're done.


You're a smart and honest man .
I always thought of them as the 'ultimate driving machine'... until I learned about cars. For starters, I don't like how they sound. And contrary to popular belief, V8s started life in the 19th century with a flat-plane crank, and continued for centuries, until technology allowed manufacturing of the cross-plane crank in the 1940s. And before the 430, they use timing BELTS, which require replacement every 3 years or 15K miles; RIDICULOUS. And to add insult to injury, you have to pay tens of thousands of dollars over their true value due to demand. I could buy one now if I wanted to, but I have no desire, even if I hit the jackpot. Even cars with less than 10K miles have plastic window switches peeling off, and excessive wear not even expected on a Kia. Ferrari ownership is strictly an ego-driven decision IMO. Just like you, I don't need anything more than an M3. Heck, I even regretted spending the money on my M3, but at least I have the best driving machine money can buy IMO. Yeah, you can spend a ton more money on a car, but you wouldn't get your money's worth, at least from the driving perspective. Good day gang.

I always thought of owning an F-car as that passionate, irrational decision that is an extension of us buying an M3 when an accord would reliably get us from point A to B day in and day out; your point about the timing belts and associated maintenance is on point, but the F430 V8 is looking to be rather reliable without the ridiculous maintenance schedules of the 360 and predecessors; as excited as we are at the S65B40 and 8400rpm, specific output, brilliance of DCT, etc, tell me you don't at least respect 503bhp in 2900 pounds, a traction control system that could make me (a relative driving noob) look like michael schumacher on a track if i chose to leave it on? My only gripe is no available manual transmission :P

Anyway just to put things in perspective, if I was ten years ahead in my career I would be daily driving a 997.1 GT3, if I was twenty years ahead I'd be daily driving that same GT3 but with a Scud or a 997.2 GT3RS in the garage; those are my idea of the ultimate driving machines in the current market; in fact the E92 as a daily driver and a 997.2GT3RS in the garage would be a pretty nice proposition too

[Leg]

Originally Posted by MP0WER

what happen to kids having to pay for their own school? i don't get it... it's not written in the parents handbook that you have to put your kids through school.

Yeah I was gonna go with that but then I realised 9 and 12 year old boys have fuck all chance of earning £9000 a year, each plus extras.

Having said that, plenty of diamond mines need small workers. I think this comes as close to true car porn as it gets for me...