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Ran at VIR with a Boss on slicks. He had adjusted the suspension at a professional shop, I'm assuming the Boss comes with adjustable coil overs stock.
So he had a little more power, a bit more grip and probably lower CG on stiffer suspension. Aside from the difference in lines (his was better no doubt) I could tell my car would lose ground with every corner. I just could not keep up, stock M3 with stock suspension on 265/285 tires. And I was outbraking him... Maybe if you do a suspension on the M3, plus bolt-on mods and slicks you will run similar times. But don't kid yourselves guys, 9/10 you pass the driver not the car. I passed a gaggle of faster cars, Vettes and Porsches and whatnot, but in each case I was simply driving better than them, or having more confidence which is huge for an amateur on a track. And I have to say, it didn't bother me in the slightest. I had an incredible time, didn't break anything and went home in the same gorgeous car I'd come in. (All else being equal, he would have still been faster than me, he had no fear and was jumping the big curbs in the climbing esses, which is asking for trouble IMO and I would simply not do in my DD.)
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on a more serious note though I think that ford makes a good product most of the time. The solid rear axle is better for drag racing. The terminator cobra had an IRS and car was sloppy with tons of power, in fact alot of people converted it to a solid rear axle. but your comparing 2 different style cars and thats the problem. I just sold my z06. it was faster than the m3 is going to be. while the interior was comfortable it lacked the luxury that the M3 is going to give. I feel like any car you buy is a give and take relationship. you give something up to gain something else. |
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RUST Warranty:
BMW M3: 12 years/unlimited miles Mustang GT: 5 years/unlimited miles Mustang BOSS 302: 5 years/unlimited miles That's good ole' All-American planned obsolescence for ya. Ditch your Ford after 5 years if you are smart.
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I'm new to the lap time recording thing, I'll do better next time out of curiosity (maybe record the number on his data tag).
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look underneath both cars. One has plastic undertrays covering up all the high quality metals, and improving aerodynamics. The other is just completely exposed, with low quality metals galore. Planned obsolecsence is a term you need to read up on.
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Dude, just how much time do you spend looking underneath the car??? Are you the wax & polish kind or the driving kind? I mean, my last worry when that Boss blew my doors off was his undertray.
When Hyunday offers a 10 year power train warranty I wouldn't necessarily brag about the warranty offered by BMW. What's the logical conclusion, that BMW wants you to keep the body for 12 years, but they expect the engine to blow up in 4?
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a plus is the boss302 and gt500 seem to hold up very well when hitting trees...
my boy and his father (own a towing company) spend a decent amount of their time peeling them off of trees on the back roads by our houses... |
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This is incorrect. There isn't a manufacturer selling cars in the U.S. that has rust problems. And by rust problems, I mean rust that will cause the car to have any actual problems, even here in the northeast. Unscrupulous dealers still sell undercoating to ignorant customers, but any automotive authority (even Consumer Reports, ferchrissake) says don't worry about rust. Look, I'm all for an elegant undercarriage, but it just ain't needed. Bruce |
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09-27-2012, 11:24 AM | #101 | |
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Here is a co boss write up. Compared to c63 and m3
http://www.speedsportlife.com/2011/0...tang-boss-302/
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There is a wide disparity in each run group at all the track events I've been to. Slow guys in fast cars and fast guys in slow cars. Then there are the fast guys in fast cars. ![]()
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Sounds like a few people are comparing drivers not cars. If you are passing a car in a track it doesn't mean the car isn't capable
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Every magazine that had professional drivers drive both cars got better times in the boss. Same driver, different car, thats the best way to compare them. |
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Definitely a good read. Really changed my perspective on how american cars are on the track. I was shocked since the 302 mustang has a solid rear axle, not an IRS. Btw, does anybody know how does the 2013 boss 302 fair?
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