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[Martin_D]

It looks great, looking forward to more photos.

[kitw]

Originally Posted by Malekreza11

There is a measured 13-14mm of shock travel on the front struts before it hits the stops.
-Malek

The only way that I can think of that you'd have this much shock travel is if you shaved the upper mounts/guide supports more than Dinan does, which is certainly possible... I just don't know how you aren't rubbing at full compression if you did. I'm not trying to argue with you, I honestly want to understand the difference, because I like the way your car looks.

Do you know how much you shaved the upper mounts? If ZCP shocks are 10mm shorter and you shaved the guide supports more than Dinan, I guess that adds up.

Got some pictures of the modified guide supports? (Further, if I sent you a set, would you be willing to shave them for me? I'd be happy to pay an hour or two of labor... or whatever is fair.)

-k

[Malek@MRF]

Originally Posted by kitw

The only way that I can think of that you'd have this much shock travel is if you shaved the upper mounts/guide supports more than Dinan does, which is certainly possible... I just don't know how you aren't rubbing at full compression if you did. I'm not trying to argue with you, I honestly want to understand the difference, because I like the way your car looks.

Do you know how much you shaved the upper mounts? If ZCP shocks are 10mm shorter and you shaved the guide supports more than Dinan, I guess that adds up.

Got some pictures of the modified guide supports? (Further, if I sent you a set, would you be willing to shave them for me? I'd be happy to pay an hour or two of labor... or whatever is fair.)

-k

Feel free to PM me. It's easier for me to get back to you since I check those frequently and we can chat over the phone if you like.

[DCC]

After looking at your pics and set-up
I guess if I was to buy 2 220M Rears and run 265/35/19 up front, I should be good to go without any issues (on a stock suspension)...yes?

[11' AW M3]

Originally Posted by Malekreza11

Well, half an inch to 1 finger change in ride height is really a minor change. Like I said, its not substantial enough to warrant the change.

The ZCP springs are better suited to the EDC ZCP shocks as well. The H&R's are a far better choice for ZCP cars as far as aesthetics and performance.

Malek- needless to say, your set-up looks bad ass.

I do have to question why you think the H&R are better suited to the zcp equipped m over the eibach... I am contemplating a suspension change, but I was thoroughly unimpressed with how h&r springs handled on an m (the one I rode in was not a zcp equipped m to begin with, though). I have also read countless reviews that the eibach handle significantly better than the H&R, but again those were mostly non-zcp equipped cars. I would love your input since it sounds like you have done some research on the topic...

Also, I am definitely checking back for the 275/35 results. I honestly can't wait to see if you can make it work, as I stated it looked almost impossible even at my zcp height. I think the set-up you have on right now looks absolutely fantastic though, I wouldn't change a thing

[mastek]

How are you not rubbing at full turn in the front with the 26.3" Overall Diameter of those 265/35/19s???
Did you modify the inner fender liners at all?
What camber are you running?

And what is your functional shock travel in mm as you sit now?

BTW, looks GREAT -- and I would love 265/35/19 at the front -- but rubbing at full lock was always the problem -- and I've run as high as -3.5 camber.

[Malek@MRF]

Originally Posted by mastek

How are you not rubbing at full turn in the front with the 26.3" Overall Diameter of those 265/35/19s???
Did you modify the inner fender liners at all?
What camber are you running?

And what is your functional shock travel in mm as you sit now?

BTW, looks GREAT -- and I would love 265/35/19 at the front -- but rubbing at full lock was always the problem -- and I've run as high as -3.5 camber.

It doesn't rub at all. Everything is unmodified and intact how it came from the factory. I am 99% sure the car can fit a 275-35 up front as well without problems.

My functional shock travel in the front is about 14mm (almost .6 inches). We measured stock to be 0.7 inches of travel.

I haven't found camber to have much affect at all on the inner fender clearance on these cars (laterally). Obviously longitudinally it will have an affect as it clears the actual fender better.

[Malek@MRF]

Originally Posted by 11' AW M3

Malek- needless to say, your set-up looks bad ass.

I do have to question why you think the H&R are better suited to the zcp equipped m over the eibach... I am contemplating a suspension change, but I was thoroughly unimpressed with how h&r springs handled on an m (the one I rode in was not a zcp equipped m to begin with, though). I have also read countless reviews that the eibach handle significantly better than the H&R, but again those were mostly non-zcp equipped cars. I would love your input since it sounds like you have done some research on the topic...

Also, I am definitely checking back for the 275/35 results. I honestly can't wait to see if you can make it work, as I stated it looked almost impossible even at my zcp height. I think the set-up you have on right now looks absolutely fantastic though, I wouldn't change a thing

Majority of cars that ran or run H&R springs do not run the E36 bump-stops AND the modified upper guide supports. These two modifications are mandatory!

Yes the car will ride worse if you don't make these modification because you are practically sitting on the stops even at static height.

The H&R springs are better than the Eibach springs in terms of performance. The ride quality on my car and many others that run the exact same setup is pretty much like stock with a slight improvement in turn in and response.

The ZCP springs handle better than the Eibach springs. The H&R springs with E36 stops and guide support modification handle better than the standard ZCP car. If it wasn't the case, I wouldn't do it on my own car and recommend it to others and would jump to coilovers.

[Malek@MRF]

Originally Posted by DCC

After looking at your pics and set-up
I guess if I was to buy 2 220M Rears and run 265/35/19 up front, I should be good to go without any issues (on a stock suspension)...yes?

It's not so cut and dry. The 265 on an 9.5 wheel doesnt have the same stretch it does on a 10" wheel. The stretch provides some added clearance within the fender wells.

However, this will work, especially on a stock suspension. Go for it!

[saeedg48]

very classy

[mastek]

Originally Posted by Malekreza11

It doesn't rub at all. Everything is unmodified and intact how it came from the factory. I am 99% sure the car can fit a 275-35 up front as well without problems.

My functional shock travel in the front is about 14mm (almost .6 inches). We measured stock to be 0.7 inches of travel.

I haven't found camber to have much affect at all on the inner fender clearance on these cars (laterally). Obviously longitudinally it will have an affect as it clears the actual fender better.

So you managed to only lose 0.1" of functional shock travel at the front .... and you lowered the car 1" overall in the front ??

I might have to stop by and see this for myself - have you driven an e9xm3 with the GC Kit yet?

[davem3fan]

This most recent thread led me to an experiment in the driveway last night:

I put OEM ZCP Rear wheels on the front last night wearing "Sticker" Pilot Super Sport 275/35/19s. It is a stock 2011 E90 M3 ZCP with no suspension mods except maxxed out front negative camber (around -1.7 degrees).

The Bad:
I get the same fender liner rubbing I did when I ran square OEM 18"s on my 2008 M3 Sedan. THIS WILL destroy the fender liners. I will fix those after this mission.

The Good:
The car feels great like this and it appears the rubbing only occurs at parking lot speeds.
It looks MEAN.

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by davem3fan

This most recent thread led me to an experiment in the driveway last night:

I put OEM ZCP Rear wheels on the front last night wearing "Sticker" Pilot Super Sport 275/35/19s. It is a stock 2011 E90 M3 ZCP with no suspension mods except maxxed out front negative camber (around -1.7 degrees).

The Bad:
I get the same fender liner rubbing I did when I ran square OEM 18"s on my 2008 M3 Sedan. THIS WILL destroy the fender liners. I will fix those after this mission.

The Good:
The car feels great like this and it appears the rubbing only occurs at parking lot speeds.
It looks MEAN.

You need to run a 30 series tire up front in that size. I don't know how Malek isn't getting any rubbing (not doubting you big guy). My 255/35/19 Invos almost rub...let alone a 275/35/19 tire.

[CeeBoogie]

I think his doesn't rub because his tire is stretched on a 10 inch rim.

[ryguy84]

what do you guys think of a vmw 19x11 for the rear and 19x10? Too much?

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by ryguy84

what do you guys think of a vmw 19x11 for the rear and 19x10? Too much?

What wheel? Post a pic can you..

This would be a nice setup as you can run a 275 front and 295 rear.



Dave

[CeeBoogie]

Do you think a 20 inch rim set up with this suspension would work?

[DCC]

Originally Posted by Malekreza11

It's not so cut and dry. The 265 on an 9.5 wheel doesnt have the same stretch it does on a 10" wheel. The stretch provides some added clearance within the fender wells.

However, this will work, especially on a stock suspension. Go for it!

so first you say its not 'stretched' enough since its a 9.5" wheel...But then later you say it will work and to 'go for it'...
I would really hate to buy to new rear wheels and new 265/35/19s to find out that it won't work...
Guess I'm back to waiting for someone to actually try it out and report back that it does work before I take the plunge.
Thanks for the feedback nonetheless.

[CeeBoogie]

Originally Posted by DCC

so first you say its not 'stretched' enough since its a 9.5" wheel...But then later you say it will work and to 'go for it'...
I would really hate to buy to new rear wheels and new 265/35/19s to find out that it won't work...
Guess I'm back to waiting for someone to actually try it out and report back that it does work before I take the plunge.
Thanks for the feedback nonetheless.

Both his front and rear wheels are 10 inches wide, so his has a stretch on it

[slicer]

Originally Posted by DCC

so first you say its not 'stretched' enough since its a 9.5" wheel...But then later you say it will work and to 'go for it'...
I would really hate to buy to new rear wheels and new 265/35/19s to find out that it won't work...
Guess I'm back to waiting for someone to actually try it out and report back that it does work before I take the plunge.
Thanks for the feedback nonetheless.

What are your "waiting" for. Just put your rear wheels on the front and see if it works. If it works then buy another set. If not don't

[DCC]

Originally Posted by slicer

What are your "waiting" for. Just put your rear wheels on the front and see if it works. If it works then buy another set. If not don't

That's the plan now, since there is no best way than to try it myself.
I just have to find a real quiet road to drive on since I will look retarded running front wheels in the rear and the rears in the front...hahaha

[datbimmerdoe]

damn, perfection