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10-27-2007, 03:55 PM | #4 |
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I love BMW and I also love the Mercedes. I can't help it but observe though
that the test and writeup in more than one occasion has nonsense subjective (emphasis on subjective) comments and conclusions in it. Things like "Got to have it", and "Fun to drive" (as if ANY of the 3 cars is going to be less fun to drive than the other 2). And of course awarding points for the above along with "Price as tested". Take the nonsense away and the 3 cars start having miniscule difference in the overall total. Only difference now is that the BMW is without the new and anticipated gearbox and the Mercedes as tested appears to be without the LSD. Other than that it appears that the Mercedes is giving BMW a run for its money and it is blowing its socks off overall in the numbers. That's my subjective view based on the above test/writeup. I'm still undecided as to which I will get - the M3 or the C63. But will definitely wait for my decision until after I have driven both. Peace :-) |
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10-27-2007, 04:36 PM | #5 |
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I've always been an AMG fan, and the new C63 looks amazing with Ferrari performance. C63 gets my vote on this one with the RS4 a close second. Looks wise, i'll have to go with M3 coupe, but only because it's a coupe. They should've tested the M3 sedan.
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10-27-2007, 04:49 PM | #6 |
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damn I can't believe the C63 weighs so much more than the M! defnitely alot of subjective points in the article, but hey the M3 came out on top for good reasons!
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10-27-2007, 10:27 PM | #7 | |
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It is fairly simply - the Merc is faster in a straight line. The M3 handles better. Cars are quite close. Merc is pretty darn ugly IMO but the fact about the eye of the beholder certainly applies to looks preferences. |
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10-28-2007, 04:55 AM | #8 |
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That Merc performance is more in line with the M5 and not the M3 but like swamp2 says the M3 is a bit better in the corners so things equal out. The real surprise is Mercedes change of attitude to the whole performance thing, before this C63 Mercs have the power but their ride etc was leaning towards comfortable performance, but now this C63 was to hardest riding car among the three, something I wouldn't have expected.
It will be interesting to see how quick this car will be around the ring compared to both the M3 and the RS4, my guess is it will split the both posting something like 8:06. |
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10-28-2007, 12:23 PM | #10 |
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First of all, who the hell took my post and moved it on the first post!? And why? Now in terms of the AMG blowing the socks of the competition, i think that's pretty accurate. A 0.4 secs difference is huge, and it's averaging 0.5. secs. At the end of the 1/4 mile it's 0.5 quicker than the M3 which translates to a car lenght. But as always, the M3 shines where no other car does, handling.
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10-28-2007, 12:58 PM | #11 |
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Grain of salt always required
From the very same publication, and this link is referenced in that new comparo article, the C&D staff said this about the EARLIER comparo test between the RS4, E46, and C55:
"And that's where our three-man jury was surprised by the RS 4. Born of more recent development and technology than the two other cars, it nonetheless felt more nervous at speeds well in excess of 100 mph on the autobahn. Perhaps it was the firm ride conspiring with the deliberately aggressive on-center steering feel and its concomitant off-center response, but we all felt the car wasn't as locked down as the M3 or even as composed as the less tightly laced C55." http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...der-page2.html YET in the NEW article, they say: "The RS 4’s high-speed ride and its chassis’s stability were deemed best in test on the autobahn." ==> and that's against the NEW M3 and C63 AMG." Yeah, right. Nice 180 degrees there ya dolts. How about you check your work, and offer explanations? This is why I really hate car mag reviews. They excite us but in the end, you have to just realize that there are sometimes factors that grossly skew perceptions, and/or testers that simply dunno wtf they're talking about. You gotta just try yourself. Sigh. |
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like both although if I buy the M3 it would be the sedan). Now regarding the numbers - well lets consider: 0.4 diff in 0-60 0.6 diff in 0-100 1.5 diff in 0-150 0.6 diff for the 1/4 mile 0.8 diff in 5-60 4.5 diff in 30-50 2.9 diff in 50-70 I don't know about you but the differences here are not small and the majority of the tests are not about high speeds. Mind you the C63 most likely doesn't have the performance package and weighs close to 500lbs more. And lets not forget that we already know this engine can really output 507 bhp Hence, given the numbers above and the fact that the Benz didn't have the performance package, I'd say that even at handling, the two cars may be closer than we think and it hasn't been proved yet that the M3 outshines a C63 on a performance package. I believe that overall, things aren't looking so peachy for the M3. Peace PS: The below is for reference and cut/pasted as I found it. The AMG performance package comprises: - Rear-axle locking differential: the mechanical asymmetrical multiple-disk locking differential with a 40% locking factor under load increases traction and significantly enhances driving pleasure – particularly during sporty driving. The differential lock prevents or reduces slipping at the wheel with the least road grip by distributing torque to the wheel with the highest traction. - AMG performance chassis: new springs at the front axle with approx. 10% higher spring rate and a new absorption detection system at the front and rear axles enhance both performance and lateral dynamics. Lower lateral tilt and reduced body roll enable an even greater degree of sporty handling. - AMG high-performance composite brake system: internally ventilated and perforated composite 360 x 36 mm brake discs at the front axle with six-piston fixed calipers ensure even higher fade-resistance at high loads. - AMG performance steering wheel in nappa leather/Alcantara design: the AMG performance steering wheel is an absolute pleasure to touch and further adds to the luxurious feel of the interior. The following optional extras are available to complement the AMG performance package and are exclusive to the C 63 AMG: - 19-inch AMG light-alloy wheels with multi-spoke styling, titanium gray and with a high-gloss finish. 235/35 tires are fitted to the 8.0-inch rims at the front axle; the format at the rear is 9.0 x 19 and 255/30 R 19. - AMG carbonfibre trim: replaces the standard aluminum trim and adds a functional racing-car touch to the interior. - AMG velour floor mats in black |
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Based upon all that I have read, for me, the choice between the M3 or C63 will come down to price-value, acceptance of the auto trans w/shifters, and build quality. If the Merc is only a few grand more than the M3 (comparably equipped), has a competitive lease deal (i.e. strong residuals) I will probably go for the C, provided the auto trans in manual mode is as good as it appears.
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On options the thing that will make the M3 faster both in a straight line as well as at the track is their new M-DCT which may be a $2-3k option. This tranny will save about .25-.3 second per shift and will narrow the time to speed gaps between the cars substantially. |
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