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True, but on a 1:3X lap, tires are not going to make up 2.5 seconds; maybe .5-1 second. Agreed it is close enough especially considering the 991S is down 35 hp and also weights slightly more. The performance and lap times this car puts up for 400 hp is simply unbelievable no matter what way you slice it and no matter what car you compare it to.
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If a Cayman S had a GT3 motor and Porsche motorsport suspension, literally nothing would touch it, especially for the price. We can hope and dream all day about if this car had X power or weighed X less, but in this case we know how the M3 would perform based on the fact that the GTS wasnt/isnt setting any benchmarks in the least bit. I do agree our cars would be much better with that additional weight removed, but the performance difference wouldnt be anything eye opening. Just to add, I think dropping 200-300 lbs from our cars would also lose some of the appeal it has a a comfortable GT/sporty car. I have come to really love how this car can be a bit of everything and its extremely comfortable to boot. I think more cars are aiming to be comfortable while retaining sharp characteristics and performing better the way the e9x m3 did. Last edited by Wolfinwolfsclothing; 11-01-2012 at 01:42 PM.. |
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I like the feel and love the seats in the M3. An M3 is not going to compete with a 911 for the obvious reasons that one is a sportscar and one is a GT. I prefer it that way. I can certainly understand how and why some cross shop these cars but don't expect a 911 to provide you the utility of an M3 and don't expect an M3 to provide you the viseral lightweight sportscar feel of a 911. Ain't going to happen. Pick the one that means most to you but more importantly pick the one that best serves the purpose for what you are going to use it. As a pure weekend fun car, the 911 is almost impossible to beat (factoring in $$$). For a performance oriented DD, there is none better than the M3 for me.
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Having owned both, well the 997.1S..the E92 M3 feels much more alive than my 997S did, at least in the engine department, no comparison. The M3 feels much more alive due to the S65 powerplant, while performance numbers are actually pretty similar.
However, if you need to use the back seats for other than transporting small children, thats all they are good for, the M3 is the car for you. If you can afford the cost of a 991S and don't need the back seats no doubt in my mind where I would spend my money. Love the 991S...can't afford it now, also for the fact I need real back seats. When I had my 997S I had a 08 328i to drive around, not anymore. Haven't had a chance to drive a 991, but the 997.1S bounced around a lot, did not feel as secure and not as easy to go fast in as the E92 M3. Drove a 997.2S and this seemed to be pretty much gone, felt more secure than my 997.1S but still not as secure as the M3. You really have to know how to drive a PCar to take advantage with it, otherwise both the M3 and 997/991 can out drive you any day of the week and it really is a moot point. I priced out a 991S with just the sport PASM and the $800 sport seats and just under $100k...man thats alot of dough for what amounts to as just an incremental improvement in performance. If I had the money though...very tempting. Dave
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I dont see how you call it an incremental increase in performance though. Ring - M3 8:05, 991S 7:40. The next M3 wont even come close to 7:40. Trap speed - 991S is 118-119 mph vs 111-112 mph in the M3. 6-8 mph in trap speed is a completely different ballgame. Not even a FBO M3 with DCT will trap that and I doubt the next M3 when it comes in 2 years will be even trapping those speeds...maybe within 2-3 mph though. ETs - same story...huge difference there. And generally looking at lap times, the 991S put up times most 500-600 hp cars put down. M3 doesnt come close on any lap time whatsoever on any track. And from any speed, any gear, any MPH, the 991S will pull away like a freight train. The performance increase is significant. If you truly think that is only incremental then you'd have to agree that the performance increase from e46 m3 to e92 m3 was only incremental at best since the jump from our M3s to a 991S is bigger than e46 m3 to e92 m3...and we all know that is certainly not the case. And its not the case with the 991S either by any stretch. Or we could say it this way. A 997 GT3 we can all agree is a BIG step up over our M3s, the 991S performs at nearly the same level on all aspects (yet is less in price than a new GT3 was)...you were even the one to say the 991S on fifth gear paced with the 997.2 GT3 tires considered. Last edited by Wolfinwolfsclothing; 11-02-2012 at 08:20 AM.. |
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How about a 997 Turbo?
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Though, I like the turbo power, I would rather have the raw power of a normal aspirated motor. If I really want more power, I would get a used GT3. |
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For the record, I currently have both an E92 M3 and a 997.2 in my garage. I love them both, but come on fella, you can't really be believing what you're saying? Are you really sticking to your dogmatic beliefs even in the face of facts? Wait. You probably are. All the Obama crap you spew says you are pretty willing to overlook facts to stick to the party line. You head on over and cast your vote for the man with the magic underwear. You can bash Porsche all you want when Jesus comes to Missouri. |
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You are more than welcome to your opinion. It's a free country (so far). On top of that, perhaps reading comprehension escapes you. Psssst, I said "to me". That means my opinion. Much akin to your affinity for vanilla ice cream. Last edited by alms211; 11-02-2012 at 03:44 PM.. |
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