New M3/M4 boring?

[AlteredBe4st]

Originally Posted by kmarei

Am I the only one that is totally unimpressed with the new m3/m4?
Yeah I know its a little lighter, a little faster, more expensive etc
But from the interior, exterior, engine. Doesn't do much for me
Saw them both today at the DC car show
And it's more like a facelift for the E90/E92
Looks very similar, except for the ugly front bumper
Too many lines and holes and no 2 lines match or even go in the same direction
Looked at the engine bay, and the plastic looks very cheap
I don't know why the overall impression I got was this car was made to be cheap
You know reusing the n55, etc
This car was made to have a nice fat profit margin
At the expense of quality.
It certainly did not feel like a $62-64K car

Only thing I liked about it was the sculpted roof, and trunk
Those look nice

I agree 100%. Does nothing for me.

[Ashley Schaeffer BMW]

I went to the DC auto show last friday as well. I made a post about the M3/4 being very boring and not really standing out from any other BMW there and got flamed by ppl who havent seen the car in real life. The R8 they had there was badass though and made it worth the trip.

Also +1 on the morons who think this car will be easily tuned and be pushing an additional 100hp. I guess they havent been paying attention to the new M cars coming out. Nothing worse than someone trying to sound knowledgeable on cars when they in fact know nothing.

[Ashley Schaeffer BMW]

Originally Posted by tamarx

Aww get banned again and now back to further make an ass of yourself??

Back in my day trolls were at least funny. You must not be very dedicated to your craft.

[Ashley Schaeffer BMW]

Originally Posted by tamarx

Nope, just making an ass of you..that is what you are, an ass. That or just a bitter old man, at least that's the way you come off in every post. I maybe banned, but you'll always be an asshole..Now go run and tell on me

No still in my late 20's. I have just evolved since high school. But if contributing nothing of note except old played out gifs is your thing then dont let me stop you. Now im going to stop replying to you so ppl dont associate me with you on this site. Thanks for stopping by.

[cotmfk]

Originally Posted by ///mawana

... and I wonder where the a/m turbo will fit!

You do realize that's F8x engine bay?

But, I also wonder where Gintani is going to fit the turbos on the E9x.

[cotmfk]

Originally Posted by Ezio

i truly find it hard to believe people post on here about tuning of the m4. while they have zero clue what they are talking about.

the new M cars are not very tune friendly. you think the m4 is going to be any different than the f10 m5s?

Can you point me to data or other info that shows M3/4 won't be tune friendly? (Not attacking, just genuinely curious)

AFAIK, F10 M5 has gotten over 600 whp. Sounds pretty good to me.

N55 (on which the S55 is based) is taking to mods pretty well. And it's predecessor (N54) is well respected for making easy power. 700 whp on stock internals, it's limits aren't even known yet.

My 335 runs 400 whp/450wtq and has 114k miles (have been tuned about 65k miles). I'm leaving a lot of power on the table by running a conservative tune with no meth, no E85, only pump 93. 30 mpg+ highway. I could be 550 whp with meth, or update my tune, change turbos and go even higher.

This is the information I am basing my opinion on.

[///mawana]

Originally Posted by cotmfk

You do realize that's F8x engine bay?

But, I also wonder where Gintani is going to fit the turbos on the E9x.

That's why I posted it up!!

[cotmfk]

Originally Posted by JAM3S

I went to the DC auto show last friday as well. I made a post about the M3/4 being very boring and not really standing out from any other BMW there and got flamed by ppl who havent seen the car in real life. The R8 they had there was badass though and made it worth the trip.

Also +1 on the morons who think this car will be easily tuned and be pushing an additional 100hp. I guess they havent been paying attention to the new M cars coming out. Nothing worse than someone trying to sound knowledgeable on cars when they in fact know nothing.

This is why competition is great. I like the new M3 look (also saw it at the DC show), love the rear fenders, new interior, etc. Different strokes...

The R8 is a great car as well, but in a different league price wise. Audi S4 or RS4 would be the competitor to M3. BMW doesn't really have a good R8 competitor, but M6 would be the closest based on price. I would take V10 R8 over M6, just based on looks (haven't driven either).

[cotmfk]

Originally Posted by ///mawana

That's why I posted it up!!

F8x has two turbos stock. Maybe I am missing your intention. I'm sure it's posted elsewhere on this site where they are mounted, but at the DC show I looked for them and couldn't see them (lots of people looking at the new M3/4). I presume they are mounted in the same spot as N54 (connecting to the downpipes).

[///mawana]

Originally Posted by cotmfk

F8x has two turbos stock. Maybe I am missing your intention. I'm sure it's posted elsewhere on this site where they are mounted, but at the DC show I looked for them and couldn't see them (lots of people looking at the new M3/4). I presume they are mounted in the same spot as N54 (connecting to the downpipes).

No, I was referring to aftermarket turbos that tuners will have to make them smaller for them to fit as the F8X bay looks cramped. I'm sure they will figure out something,...

[kmarei]

Originally Posted by Vic311

How does it drive?

I have been interested in cars long enough to know what I like and what I don't like.
i'm sure it drives great, probably +-10% than the E92
but how it drives doesn't change the fact that its over priced.

My main point is there is very little difference now between the 435 and the m4
so why am I paying so much more for the m4?
and for all those that want to tune it, isn't it better to tune the 435?
I mean you are saving roughly $20K between them
why not spend that money on the 435 and have a m4 killer?

I think it was a stupid path to have them both with similar engines
it used to be you had the turbo charged 335, that you could tune to 700hp
and you had the 414 hp 8400rpm red line V8 in the M3
very different engines catering to the ricers, and the car fans
now its all ricer

[checkmate]

Originally Posted by phrozen06

Carston Pries of BMW M said the engine is an animal with shocking capabilities. http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...939406&page=12

I'm sure he's right.

So is the C63 AMG. The new M will be a beast down low thanks to higher torque. Not a better M just a mini-F10 M5.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by kmarei

I

I think it was a stupid path to have them both with similar engines
it used to be you had the turbo charged 335, that you could tune to 700hp
and you had the 414 hp 8400rpm red line V8 in the M3
very different engines catering to the ricers, and the car fans
now its all ricer

made me laugh.

[phrozen06]

Originally Posted by checkmate

So is the C63 AMG. The new M will be a beast down low thanks to higher torque. Not a better M just a mini-F10 M5.

I'm not claiming it will be a better M. But the bean counters at bmw need to inject some Marketing exitement in to the F8X M's capabilites in order to differentiate it from the E9X M.

Personally I'm Never getting rid of my 08, and my next move will most likely be an M6 or X5M because i'm in love with V8's.

On a side note. We all know a Tuner is going to do a V8 swap into the F8X M.

[Vic311]

Originally Posted by kmarei

I have been interested in cars long enough to know what I like and what I don't like.
i'm sure it drives great, probably +-10% than the E92
but how it drives doesn't change the fact that its over priced.

My main point is there is very little difference now between the 435 and the m4
so why am I paying so much more for the m4?
and for all those that want to tune it, isn't it better to tune the 435?
I mean you are saving roughly $20K between them
why not spend that money on the 435 and have a m4 killer?

I think it was a stupid path to have them both with similar engines
it used to be you had the turbo charged 335, that you could tune to 700hp
and you had the 414 hp 8400rpm red line V8 in the M3
very different engines catering to the ricers, and the car fans
now its all ricer

I hear ya, just teasing because I am confused about these definitive reviews on a car that has yet to be driven. Yours covers aesthetics, but some of these reviews are so convinced about what the new M can and can't do on the road. Really, how?

Also regarding price, there has always been an "M" tax why should the new generation be any different?

[Raja Ventureshield]

"M" TAX lol

[huyner328]

Originally Posted by Ezio

i truly find it hard to believe people post on here about tuning of the m4. while they have zero clue what they are talking about.

the new M cars are not very tune friendly. you think the m4 is going to be any different than the f10 m5s?

What evidence do you have for these claims?

These are motors are designed for handling boost... out the box. We all know from the N54 days that they are significantly detuned and highly capable with stock internals. So... I envision the M versions will be no different.

[phrozen06]

Originally Posted by huyner328

What evidence do you have for these claims?

These are motors are designed for handling boost... out the box. We all know from the N54 days that they are significantly detuned and highly capable with stock internals. So... I envision the M versions will be no different.

Agreed, there's already a few tunes on the F10 M5 that put it around 640hp. And it won't be any different for the F8X M. Any code can be cracked.

[checkmate]

I'm with most of you guys about the N/A engine being the best for track purposes.

Let me ask you this-how many of you on this thread track these cars? I know for a fact that not many do which is a shame.

My point is that for those of you who don't track-the new M3/M4 will be faster than the E9x for the driving you do around town + rural roads.

My bone to pick with the E9X generation is the Weight + Miserable mpg. Redeeming factors for me-Engine Sound + High RPM's. For someone who averages 4-5 track days a year...my engine is wasted for most of the year (which is a damn shame). On highways and secondary roads-revving the beans out of this engine (to achieve max hp) means I get to insane speeds which for all intensive purposes are illegal on most roads.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by huyner328

What evidence do you have for these claims?

These are motors are designed for handling boost... out the box. We all know from the N54 days that they are significantly detuned and highly capable with stock internals. So... I envision the M versions will be no different.

just wait. i can tell you dont know much about the new S55 motor.

[huyner328]

Originally Posted by Ezio

just wait. i can tell you dont know much about the new S55 motor.

I can tell you don't know anything about the motor either by your general statements.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by huyner328

I can tell you don't know anything about the motor either by your general statements.

go look at the S55 turbo info and boost info. tell me how detuned this motor is.

its not like a N54 where the boost stock was peanuts. there was a lot left on the table from factory.

BMW does not want people to tune these new motors. cracking the code may take a while to get a good tune.

If someone ask me. they wanted to buy a turbo car to mod. i would tell them get a GTR.