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this is an old car and driver comparo from 08 with an m3,c63, and an rs4,not 5.the m3 won.old test,but still fun to read-
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The M3 badge was introduced in 1986. The first AMG C class was introduced in 1995. The first RS Audi came out in 1994. Tradition still counts for something. The M philosophy started it all, and AMG and quattro GmbH models will always be just imitations. |
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Their next special, the 1985 Quattro Sport was a Kevlar bodied 300BHP monster and served as the homologation special for the 500 and 600BHP Group B rally cars. All of this while M was happily producing leather-clad executive sedans and big GT's, and when the M3 was merely a gleam in its designer's eye. Don't be a badge whore, and learn your automotive history.
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But don't forget about the Mercedes 190 2.3-16's were homologated for it's own race series in the mid-80's - Senna competed in the Mercedes sponsored series at the ring in 1984. So the Mercedes factory effort deserves some credit before bringing AMG in house. The 190 2.3-16 can be considered a direct competitor to the original E30 M3. http://rumors.automobilemag.com/bmw-...es-155359.html
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None of those quattros you mentioned were leather-clad executive sedans and big GTs (or maybe they were, in which case I feel an extension course in history coming on) where as this thread is about the c63 vs m3 vs rs5. All of which are... leather-clad executive sedans and big GTs. The Quattro just happens to be the least appealing, which just shows how much Audi has lost its way. As for brand whoring, I lusted after an S4 Audi for years before I came to my senses and bought an M3 instead. I'd even buy the RS4 Avant now if I needed a wagon instead of a sedan, and if a c63 wagon wasn't available. Quote:
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And now they are copying Audi line for line, offering M-sport versions, M performance automobiles and fully fledged M cars. I think we're looking at the end of an era at BMW... And shouldn't be pointing fingers at Audi, who by some accounts is producing better driving cars than BMW these days (at least with certain models).
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While the jury is still out on the F8X M3/M4 please tell me what Audi is a better driver's car than the M3 or the 1M? The only one that rivals it is a V10 R8 and it is twice the cost of an M3. The S4 and RS5? Puhhhleeassse......BORING!!
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I definitely miss the traction my S4 had as I have a tough time getting the power down consistently in my C63 so I'm all for AWD. Sounds like AMG might be headed down that road. I would love to see some M cars with AWD in the future!
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In recent comparos, the S4 was chosen over the 335, the S6 over the M5 (!!!), the A6 over the 5 series, and many reviewers thought the E90 would still win a comparo against the F30. It's not a one-off freak accident, it's a growing trend. Audi has strived towards making their cars sportier, and BMW to make them more comfortable. At some point the trends will cross, and that point is probably here already... Personally I would never consider the RS5. It's heavier, less exciting, more expensive, lacks a manual transmission option and it's significantly worse packaged than the M3 (rear seats are a joke and this matters for someone with kids). But my next purchase might not automatically be the next gen M3.
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Agree I have a lot of love for the C63, but the M3 drivetrain just kills the competition. the numbers on paper do not mean shit to the M3 it puts down all the power its given and I'd rather have a car that puts down all the power properly then a car that breaks tire every time i want to punch it.
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Having owned an e92 m3 which was the greatest car I had owned. Enjoyed taking it to the track until i drove a spec boxster which made the m3 feel suddenly fat and slow to get out of its way. I had to go with the driving pleasure and agility of a mid engined Porsche. Now I will admit it is not the best daily driver but so much fun for up too 2 people. Now I have 4 month old baby and have placed an order for a c63 Amg coupe. 481 hp, 443 ft lbs torque, four seats and the last design to see the m156 motor it was a no brainier.
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Although I do love the C63, I find there is something about the M3 that I miss. It is almost like I wish I had both cars to go back and forth... I think that says something about how great both cars are. The M3 is so "smooth" feeling (I can't describe it better) and the C63 is more "brutish". I don't mean relative to how they drive but more their character. Part of it, I think, is the brute power and sound of the C63 vs the quieter and more fluid M3. I love the character of both. If I wrote off my car today and had to pick a new car again, it would be very hard to do for me. I wouldn't want to give up the sound/power of the C63 but I would love to get back the subjective feeling of the M3. They are such similar cars in many ways and their differences are more just a different feeling than anything else. I also fear that the current generation M3/C63 will be the last of a unique breed... the engines in these cars make them special and that is all about to change for both cars
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At least the next-gen AMG C-class will still have 8 cylinders, albeit slightly downsized and force fed by two snails. The raucous AMG sound will also be there, even if it's not as magical as the 6.2L. I really wish BMW was stuffing the S63tu into the next-gen M3/4. |
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