~*~*~*~ 2013-2014 Nba Season ~*~*~*~

[Litos]

Originally Posted by SSW

Well, if you're right (which you are convinced you are), I guess you might as well give up on the Rockets for the remainder of the season and stop watching any more games, since McHale has no choice but to start Lin, which seems to upset you so much.

you'll see - Lin is a trash bag.....

I'd rather watch Canaan play PG.....

[MediaArtist]

In all honesty, I think any of the teams in the West can be potentially knocked out in the 1st round (Spurs, OKC, and Clippers included). The West is super competitive, the 8th, 9th, and 10th seed teams would all be #3 seed in the East.

[Litos]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

In all honesty, I think any of the teams in the West can be potentially knocked out in the 1st round (Spurs, OKC, and Clippers included). The West is super competitive, the 8th, 9th, and 10th seed teams would all be #3 seed in the East.

I think i said it earlier in the thread, after the Spurs and OKC, all the rest of the teams are almost identical....

[MediaArtist]

Originally Posted by Litos

I think i said it earlier in the thread, after the Spurs and OKC, all the rest of the teams are almost identical....

Well not really.

The Spurs, OKC, and Clippers have all clinched playoff positions. I think these 3 teams have clearly separated themselves from the pack in terms of Western Conference dominance.

The rest of the 5 seeds (Rockets, Trial Blazers, Warriors, Suns, Mavericks) could all actually still miss the playoffs as of right now depending on how the rest of the season goes. These games are super important, and they cannot afford to rest any of their starters (something the Spurs, and Clippers are considering).

[Litos]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

Well not really.

The Spurs, OKC, and Clippers have all clinched playoff positions. I think these 3 teams have clearly separated themselves from the pack in terms of Western Conference dominance.

dominance is being in first by over 8 or 9 games, which neither of those top 3 teams are...

rockets are 2 games back of the Clips and were ahead of them as of two weeks ago, so I wouldn't consider it dominant, especially when either of those 3 teams could potentially get bumped in the first round......

[Litos]

Originally Posted by SSW

Well, if you're right (which you are convinced you are), I guess you might as well give up on the Rockets for the remainder of the season and stop watching any more games, since McHale has no choice but to start Lin, which seems to upset you so much.

Lin he gave up 30 to Chris Paul a few nights ago.....

he needs to come off the bench in this league against a #2 PG - or move over to SG and try and beat 2's off the dribble....

when we played the Clippers back in Feb, Bev had 5pts 2ast 4to and 6 fouls, but he only took 2 shots and made 1 - and Chris Paul had 14pts on 35% shooting...

give me Bev shutting down the most elite PG in the league with only 5points as opposed to Lin getting ruined for 30 points and going 1 of 12.....

[MediaArtist]

Originally Posted by Litos

Lin he gave up 30 to Chris Paul a few nights ago.....

he needs to come off the bench in this league against a #2 PG - or move over to SG and try and beat 2's off the dribble....

when we played the Clippers back in Feb, Bev had 5pts 2ast 4to and 6 fouls, but he only took 2 shots and made 1 - and Chris Paul had 14pts on 35% shooting...

give me Bev shutting down the most elite PG in the league with only 5points as opposed to Lin getting ruined for 30 points and going 1 of 12.....

Dude, Beverly got tooled in that game. He got picked 4 times, and he didn't shut down CP3, you call a guy getting 14 pts, 9 assist on 39% shooting, shutdown? Yeah it's a not a usual CP3 game, but based on the stats, it was Beverly who got shutdown. 5 points, 4 turn overs, and fouled out.

Beverly is a good defensive spoiler, but other than that he sucks. The only reason Rockets keep him is because he's the only decent perimeter defender the entire team has. Harden doesn't play defense, Brooks is gone, and Jeremy Lin is still developing as a perimeter defender.

[MediaArtist]

Originally Posted by Litos

dominance is being in first by over 8 or 9 games, which neither of those top 3 teams are...

rockets are 2 games back of the Clips and were ahead of them as of two weeks ago, so I wouldn't consider it dominant, especially when either of those 3 teams could potentially get bumped in the first round......

Yeah but the Rockets have some tough games ahead, and although I find it unlikely they will get eliminated from the playoffs, the statistical chance is there. Nets, Raptors, OKC, and Nuggets in the next 4 games. All potential losses there.

[Litos]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

Yeah but the Rockets have some tough games ahead, and although I find it unlikely they will get eliminated from the playoffs, the statistical chance is there. Nets, Raptors, OKC, and Nuggets in the next 4 games. All potential losses there.

we'll go 3-1......

[Litos]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

you call a guy getting 14 pts, 9 assist on 39% shooting, shutdown?

yes, when he can go for 30 and 13 on any given night...

Bev held him to 5 made shots the entire night.....

CP3 made 10 shots against Lin's slow ass and was able to get off 12 assists...

CP3 had a much tougher night against Beverly and if you argue that, you're just dumb....

[Litos]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

1st game - 23 points and 17 assist on 54% shooting. 13 shot attempts. Absolutely torched Beverly's ass.

lol - now I KNOW you're a fucking idiot.....

Beverly didn't even play in that game dude.....that was all Lin's doing......

c'mon man.......

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

2nd game - 14 points and 13 assist on 39% shooting. 13 shot attempts.

and Pat Bev had 19 points on 13 shot attempts that game....

both had the same TO's as well...

[MediaArtist]

Originally Posted by Litos

lol - now I KNOW you're a fucking idiot.....

Beverly didn't even play in that game dude.....that was all Lin's doing......

c'mon man.......


and Pat Bev had 19 points on 13 shot attempts that game....

both had the same TO's as well...

You're right, that was against Lin. I have a hard time remembering who played during all the times we kicked Houston's ass this season.

Still here is Beverly's production against CP3.
Game 1 - 19 points. 3 assist. 46% on 13 shot attempts.
Game 2 - 5 points. 2 assist. 50% on 2 shot attempts.

Now Jeremy Lin:
Game 1 - 14 points. 8 Assist. 50% shooting on 8 attempts.
Game 2 - 10 points. 2 assist. 11% shooting on 9 attempts.

I think Lin had a bad game in the last one, but Beverly also got shutdown bad against CP3 this season as well. On the offensive side, the last game is hard to give credit to PatBev, or blame Jeremy Lin since Parsons was guarding CP3 a lot, Blake was out of the game, and Houston's best defender (D12) was also out. I think CP3 had a lot more opportunities to create offense last game, that's why he hit 30.

[MediaArtist]

Here's a player vs player comparison of their production through the season, not just against CP3.

Patrick Beverly: 9.9 PPG, 2.7 assist, 3.6 rpg, .407% shooting (.357 from 3). PERS 12.35
Jeremy Lin: 12.4 PPG, 4.2 assist, 2.6 rpg, .448% shooting (.335 from 3). PERS 14.30

I think that clearly shows who the better producer is between the two.

But like I've said before, Lin is by far the better offensive player, and better point guard. Beverly is the better perimeter defender. Lin is probably a bad fit for the Rockets because of how their offense is structured (Harden iso offense), and they don't really need Jeremy Lin's offensive capabilities as much as they need PatBev's defensive abilities. I still think most teams would take Lin over Beverly. Also, let's be honest, the main defensive liability and culprit on the Rockets team is actually Harden, not Lin. If Harden would actually play some defense instead of just being bored and waiting to get the ball in his hands so he can pop up 15-20 shots a game, Houston would be a much better team defensively and they would have another perimeter defender. Right now they pretty much play with only one.

[Litos]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

You're right, that was against Lin.

yes......

you gotta do better than that....

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

Now Jeremy Lin:
Game 1 - 14 points. 8 Assist. 50% shooting on 8 attempts.
Game 2 - 10 points. 2 assist. 11% shooting on 9 attempts.

so in the last 2 games Lin has played against CP3 (and Beverly has played ZERO minutes), CP3 has been able to get off more than 50 points and 30 assists...

LIN. FUCKING. SUCKS.

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

I think Lin had a bad game in the last one, but Beverly also got shutdown bad against CP3 this season as well.

Lin has games all the time - his last 3 months have been "bad games".

and Bev is not a scorer - he averages 10 points a game...any time he gets more than 13 or 14 points in a game, it's just a bonus, because we have Harden/Parsons/Dwight to carry the offensive load......

Beverley gets paid $788K this year
Lin gets paid 5.2MM this year

so we're paying a guy 5MM a year to get his soul ripped out for 50 points and 30 assists while we only pay Patbull $788K for him to hold CP3 to 14 points on 2 separate occasions.....

FUCK LIN....

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

On the offensive side, the last game is hard to give credit to PatBev, or blame Jeremy Lin since Parsons was guarding CP3 a lot

THE LAST GAME PAT BEV WASN'T EVEN PLAYING DUDE - WTF !?!?

and when Lin is stumbling around all over his stupid feet that are allergic to sliding laterally, Parsons HAS to slide over and help guard Lin's man - because EVEN A 6'10" WHITE GUY CAN GUARD PG's/SG's BETTER THAN THAT POS LIN !!!!

[Litos]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

Here's a player vs player comparison of their production through the season, not just against CP3.

Patrick Beverly: 9.9 PPG, 2.7 assist, 3.6 rpg, .407% shooting (.357 from 3). PERS 12.35
Jeremy Lin: 12.4 PPG, 4.2 assist, 2.6 rpg, .448% shooting (.335 from 3). PERS 14.30

I think that clearly shows who the better producer is between the two.

you're right, but what you don't see if the defensive breakdowns and defensive liability that Lin is.....

I'd rather have Bev go for 9 points and 3ast per game while holding his own guy to 15 points and 30% shooting, then to see Lin have a 15 point game and get worked for 28 points and 10ast.....

[Litos]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

If Harden would actually play some defense instead of just being bored and waiting to get the ball in his hands so he can pop up 15-20 shots a game,

Harden only takes 16.5 shots a game and shoots at 46%.....

NOBAWDY in the league gets more points than him on less shots NOBAAAAAWDY !!!!

Blake Griffin comes real close, but that has to do more with the fact that he's being fed by an elite PG...he doesn't facilitate or handle the ball nearly as much as Harden does.....

Harden does it driving the lane, eurostepping like a prince and step back 3'ing all over people's dicks.....

so yeah, only 16.5 shots a game and he's going for 25 points a night AND he's only 24 years old - i'll take it 10 times outta 10.....

[SSW]

Litos:

Your dislike for Lin is irrational and excessive to the extreme. In your opinion, NOTHING that Lin does is right and anyone, even the untested rookie scrub Canaan, would be better. That's absurd!

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks." Quote: Hamlet by Wm. Shakespeare.

You seem to think that if you yell LOUDER and LONGER that all of us, who think that Lin is better than you think he is, will just shut up and go along with your opinion that Lin is a "trash bag." That couldn't be any farther from the truth. The only thing that will happen (eventually) is that people will simply ignore and dismiss your idiotic ravings about Lin and, I for one, will start ignoring you now.

Adios amigo!

[MediaArtist]

No one is saying Harden sucks. Yeah man, he's an elite scorer, top 10 in the league easy.

But through 70 games on a weighted 48 minute average, opposing 2-spot guards average 22.7 points per game on 42.28% shooting, 4 assist, 2 steals against Houston.

Houston has the 4th worst defense against shooting guards in the league statistically (only the Knicks, Lakers, and Kings do worse when defending against the 2-spot). For playoff bound teams, and not lottery teams, Houston is #1 the worst. Guess what, Houston jumps into the Top 10 BEST defending against opposing Point Guards.

Lin is not the defensive liability on the perimeter, it's your boy Harden.

[MediaArtist]

Here's a video of James Harden letting JJ Reddick just get open shot after open shot, getting blown off the dribble by Chris Dudley (), and in general just late to every defensive assignment he is given.

How can you blame this on Lin again?

Bonus footage:

Skip to 2:44

Where the heck was Harden and why was Darren Collison open on the perimeter to sink the DAGGER on Houston in a competitive game? Oh right, Harden was 15 feet away being lazy again.

More Harden Blunders on Defense...

Your anger on defense is misdirected Cheetos.

[Litos]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

Your anger on defense is misdirected Cheetos.

I NEVER said Harden wasn't a bad defender, RetArtist...

but being a bad defender plus not scoring plus turning the ball over is what Lin does - while getting paid 5MM a year.

I was never on board with that joke of a kid - i'll be happiest when he's out of Houston....

[MediaArtist]

Originally Posted by Litos

I NEVER said Harden wasn't a bad defender, RetArtist...

but being a bad defender plus not scoring plus turning the ball over is what Lin does - while getting paid 5MM a year.

I was never on board with that joke of a kid - i'll be happiest when he's out of Houston....

Okay, I'm going to just say it, Harden loses more games for Houston than any player on the team. Yes he scores a lot, but when your team is the 4th worst team in the league for defending against shooting guards, you have to call a spade a spade. Scoring 20-25 points a game doesn't mean shit if you let the opposing 2-guard score 23 points. His offense is also disruptive to the team because he plays iso ball too much and dishes the ball at inopportune times (like with 4-5 seconds left on the clock) which has a bad effect on his team mates shooting percentage. If you replaced Harden with Dragic, or Mike Conley, Houston would be a better team.

[Litos]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

Okay, I'm going to just say it, Harden loses more games for Houston than any player on the team.

LMFAO !!!!!

really !?!? dude, you didn't even know when Beverly played a game, let alone know how Harden continuously scores down the stretch...

in Houston, Harden is known as clutch as fuck.....

step back 3's to win or tie games, eurosteps through the lane for game winners, step back 17 footers at the buzzer, etc......

been seeing it all year....