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      07-08-2011, 06:15 PM   #89
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Sounds interesting....Hmm....
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I don't care what engine they use because whichever one they choose will be AWESOME!!!!!!
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I think the Autoexpress Artikle is not 100% correct and a little bit confusing.

To my Infos there are only two 6 cylinder possibilities, because the M-GmbH has developed them for testing:

- an 3.3ltr.V6 TT(T) ... developed from the S63 M5 4.4ltr.V8 TT
- an 3.2ltr.I6 TT(T) ... developed from the N55 engine

In the moment the descision has gone to the inline-6 3.2ltr. because itīs the cheapest alternative ... the 3.2ltr is the maximum displacement they can get from the N55 engineblock ... more displacement wouldnīt come because that meens an complete new engineblock ... and that is too costly.

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Thanks for the update.

I am resigned to the fact that it won't be a twin-turbo V8. But I think a tri-turbo inline 6 sounds very promising.

I have the sneaking suspicion that when the new M3 comes out, as long as the reviews say it's great, lots of people will want one after all. Even if M3 owners don't really care about the rising price of gas, if the competitors are making equal power cars that are more fuel efficient, M3 owners will want their cars to be just as fuel-efficient.
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I'll wait until the zcp comes out to even consider one. U know they'll make it and it sucks to buy a new one only to have zcp come out a few years later.
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Except technology.
But technology still not able to make any replacement for displacement yet.
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Was the ZCP package released during the LCI for the e46?
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Was the ZCP package released during the LCI for the e46?
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Pls Bmw Keep all M car in NA......
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      07-08-2011, 07:38 PM   #97
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Pls Bmw Keep all M car in NA......
Cant agree more
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      07-08-2011, 07:42 PM   #98
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Cant agree more
Any real ///M enthusiast will agree. The problem is that the strict emission regulations just won't let that be a viable choice. The e92 may very well be the last N/A ///M we see for a very long time. I know MB said they'd keep the C63 AMG an N/A engine and introduce a 5.5L boosted engine as a C55 AMG. I think Audi's RSx M fighter will be boosted after the RS5's time is up.
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      07-08-2011, 08:54 PM   #99
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My friend has a Toyota supra twin turbo with over 100,000 miles on it still going strong , it has upgraded fuel system,hks single turbo 4" full exhaust , it has 600 rwp and it's been like this for years,it's an absolute beast,That is old technology compared to today ,they have basically perfected turbos, I'm sure it will be really reliable , also it's so easy to add power to a turbo engine
you said twin turbo and then one single turbo...
And he probably has epic turbo lag with that one large turbo...also Supra's are known for their HP, but not putting the power down.

You cannot compare a overbuilt 2jz-gte or it's non-turbo counterpart to BMW's I6's...that 2jz-gte is legendary for being able to take 500 hp with stock internals, it's built to last. Period. It's like comparing the Mercedes w124 300CE now to the early 2000s CLK or possibly even the C-Class coupe of today...the w124 300CE was a overbuilt car (and had a nice Inline 6), and the car doors slam sht like a bankvault, even when the interior is strip out.
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      07-08-2011, 09:44 PM   #100
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Technically, if the third "turbo" is electrically-powered (as opposed to driven by exhaust gases), then it's a supercharger, not a turbo.
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      07-08-2011, 11:11 PM   #101
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Technically, if the third "turbo" is electrically-powered (as opposed to driven by exhaust gases), then it's a supercharger, not a turbo.
Are you sure? I though superchargers are powered by the motor with a belt. Not it's own separate independent unitn
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      07-08-2011, 11:19 PM   #102
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Are you sure? I though superchargers are powered by the motor with a belt. Not it's own separate independent unitn
I am confused too.

Maybe it's one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_turbocharger
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      07-08-2011, 11:36 PM   #103
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So far away, who cares? Your not gonna get any juicy details until well after the car debuts anyhow? Look at the F10 M5. They are still holding back some of the engine specs. Why not just live in the now and enjoy your high revving NA V8?
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      07-08-2011, 11:45 PM   #104
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Depends on how you maintain it but you have a point.

TTT would be very interesting, I can't wait to see with what they decide on!

I'm afraid to own a Double VANOS or SMG III/DCT BMW out of warranty. Oops, I already do.
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You people realize TT stands for twin turbo, not turbo turbo. What is with this TTT crap?

I assume the electric turbo would act like the small turbo in old sequential turbo setups. The electric turbo kicks in immediately on throttle and is phased out as the twin turbos spool up.
Said perfectly.
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You people realize TT stands for twin turbo, not turbo turbo. What is with this TTT crap?

I assume the electric turbo would act like the small turbo in old sequential turbo setups. The electric turbo kicks in immediately on throttle and is phased out as the twin turbos spool up.
Which would effectively reduce/ almost eliminate turbo lag. Smart thinking?
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I think the Autoexpress Artikle is not 100% correct and a little bit confusing.

To my Infos there are only two 6 cylinder possibilities, because the M-GmbH has developed them for testing:

- an 3.3ltr.V6 TT(T) ... developed from the S63 M5 4.4ltr.V8 TT
- an 3.2ltr.I6 TT(T) ... developed from the N55 engine

In the moment the descision has gone to the inline-6 3.2ltr. because itīs the cheapest alternative ... the 3.2ltr is the maximum displacement they can get from the N55 engineblock ... more displacement wouldnīt come because that meens an complete new engineblock ... and that is too costly.

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Kind of sad how it's now "too expensive" to make a block just for the M3, even though BMW sells WAY more units now than they did back with the E30 or real E36 M3's.

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Technically, if the third "turbo" is electrically-powered (as opposed to driven by exhaust gases), then it's a supercharger, not a turbo.
Agreed. It's more of an electric supercharger than a turbo since it doesn't run off the exhaust.

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Is it going to sound anything like the supercharged E46 M3 CSL in GiS7?

Go to about the 7:00 mark to listen to what it sounds like from the outside

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heehee, electric turbo charger.. I didn't know electricity produces exhaust gas...
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I totally agree with you...
...as I rather keep the V8 power-plant on my 2010 E90/M3 Sedan!
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