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      06-14-2012, 04:55 PM   #23
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I would agree, and since the stock tolerances are so tight to begin with, even a difference of a few mm will make a rub/no-rub difference. This is certainly within the variation from car to car.

So I just went back, took off my spacer and measured the gap between the tire edge and the fender liner at full wheel lock. There is a few mm extra space with the spacers off, both in front and in the back of the wheel well turning the wheel both to the right and left. This is due to the subtle curves in the fender liner which allow a little more space in certain areas. Seems to me that with 12mm spacers, a 255/35 tire would just rub the liner, and it would just barely clear with spacers off.
You can run a 275 if you change the wheel offset with no rubbing, but you are still talking about 255s....? Is there a reason you wouldnt want to run a wider tire? I think that is why the guy above mentioned you arent listening.
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      06-14-2012, 05:11 PM   #24
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I'll have a pretty much brand new set of 255/35-19, 275/35-19 set of pilot super sports (less than 1000 miles) up for sale this weekend if you're interested. PM me
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I've driven 255/35/19 PSS up front with ZCP wheels, AND 12.5mm spacer, AND KW sleeve over kit. Having them about 7k miles, I hear it slightly rubs inner tire room only a few times for entire 7k miles. Although it's not perfect, it's "no rubbing" set up in my opinion. Hope this help you.
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      06-14-2012, 08:34 PM   #26
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      06-14-2012, 11:44 PM   #27
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I'm running 265 with 5mm spacers on my FI. Slightly rub on full turn.
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      06-15-2012, 03:48 AM   #28
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You can run a 275 if you change the wheel offset with no rubbing, but you are still talking about 255s....? Is there a reason you wouldnt want to run a wider tire? I think that is why the guy above mentioned you arent listening.
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      06-15-2012, 04:14 AM   #29
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So here is where my head is at right now.....

Option #1:

Just get PSS in stock sizes to go on ZCP wheels. This will give me better grip than my POS Conti 3, and I know it will fit and still give me the flush look I like with my 12mm spacers.

Option #2:

Go with 255/275 PSS on my ZCP wheels. I will likely have to pull the spacers or tolerate a very minor front tire rub. I will certanly get more grip, but will be adding a small amount of weight to an already slightly obese wheel.

Option #3

Get a set of APEX ARC-8 wheels with 265/35/18 front and 285/35/18 rears. I will drop 5-6 weight per corner overall, have maximum grip, better ride, perfect fitment. I lose a little in the looks department with respect to the wheel itself.

I wish HRE made their P40 SC in an 18" size. That, for me, would be a "no brainer". I was also looking at the APEX EC7, which is better looking, but is slightly heavier than the ARC-8. However, if I am going to go with 18's for all their performance and ride advantages, I may as well go all out for the lightest wheel possible.

Thanks to everyone for your input and advice. Keep it coming !! For me, its all about finding the best balance of all the factors....Looks, grip, responsivenss, weight, ride comfort.
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      06-15-2012, 10:18 AM   #30
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Another thread a while ago. I just seemed to remember based on your sig picture. I think you had the really nice floor. I have a photographic memory.
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      06-15-2012, 01:19 PM   #31
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I like opt#3, that one is a performance improvement that you should feel.

Opt#1 is solid. The PSS has a lot more grip than the Conti's and looks better too. Broader shoulders, they don't look as stretched on the ZCP wheels.

Option#2 isn't going to give you much more grip and only adds weight (been there). I'd go with at least a 285/30-19 rear if you want more grip and lose the spacers.
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      06-15-2012, 03:24 PM   #32
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I like opt#3, that one is a performance improvement that you should feel.

Opt#1 is solid. The PSS has a lot more grip than the Conti's and looks better too. Broader shoulders, they don't look as stretched on the ZCP wheels.

Option#2 isn't going to give you much more grip and only adds weight (been there). I'd go with at least a 285/30-19 rear if you want more grip and lose the spacers.
Well.....I've decided to go with option #3.....sort of. I just got in on the group buy for the new APEX EC7 wheel. Slightly heavier than the ARC8, but it is just too much of a hot looking wheel to pass up.

Ordered 18x9.5 ET22 front (weight =21.75 lbs) and 18x10.5 ET27 rear (weight=22.5 lbs). These will be fitted with Michelin PSS in 265/35/18 and 285/35/18.

Now, once again, the wait begins !!

Might have to get a few other mods in the meantime to tie me over.

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      06-15-2012, 05:02 PM   #33
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That's a nice wheel! Looking forward to pics and review with the new wheels/tires.

Oh yeah...the wait is tough to endure. I agree, a couple of little mods in the meantime should get you through it.
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      06-15-2012, 07:42 PM   #34
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Well.....I've decided to go with option #3.....sort of. I just got in on the group buy for the new APEX EC7 wheel. Slightly heavier than the ARC8, but it is just too much of a hot looking wheel to pass up.

Ordered 18x9.5 ET22 front (weight =21.75 lbs) and 18x10.5 ET27 rear (weight=22.5 lbs). These will be fitted with Michelin PSS in 265/35/18 and 285/35/18.
I just went for the same size wheels in ARC8s, they should be here Tuesday. I'm going with ad08s though, 265/35/18 up front. Hopefully no problems with the drop from kw3 (Not installed and sitting on my workbench).
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      06-16-2012, 08:52 AM   #35
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I just went for the same size wheels in ARC8s, they should be here Tuesday. I'm going with ad08s though, 265/35/18 up front. Hopefully no problems with the drop from kw3 (Not installed and sitting on my workbench).
When you drop you automatically dial in more negative camber so you should be okay.
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From my experience it really depends on what tires you run. the 255/35/19 ad08's + 10 mm spacer i ran in the front rubbed all the time on the fender liners at full lock. the 245/35/19 ad08's + 15 mm spacers rub very very slightly when i turn full lock to the right side only on the right wheel. I had a buddy who ran 265/30/19 ad08's in the front and he was in the clear. Wide 255/35/19's will rub in the front indefinitely and skinny 255/35/19's in the front like the k110's will not give you any issues. but k110's are garbage compared to anything stock, so why run these anyways...

I personally hated the way 255/35/19's felt in the front. the extra grip is noticable and is phenomenol but i feel like they are overkill on the streets. it made steering feedback more numb and the constant rubbing had me incredibly annoyed. wen't back to stickier than stock 245's in the front and haven't been missing my previous 255's.

if i was a track junkie and needed the extra grip in the front i would probably run 265/30/19 tires.
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      06-16-2012, 07:53 PM   #37
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I have 255 on a 9.5" wide HRE with no rubbing and lowered on KWs, I got to get the offsets from HRE
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stock 245 conti on m220 with 18 spacer , no rubbing, looks awesome.
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stock 245 conti on m220 with 18 spacer , no rubbing, looks awesome.
The Conti tires are the root of the whole issue for me. Honestly, if the car came with PSS or even PS2, I woulb likely just leave it alone. But....if I am going to spend the money to change the tires, then I might as well spend a bit more and get a full set up that has better grip and better ride.
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When you drop you automatically dial in more negative camber so you should be okay.
Yeah thats what I was thinking as well, I also have adjustable camber plates (vorshlag) on order. My car actually came with ps2s, but I'm looking for something stickier, ad08s should suffice.
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I have 255/35/19 PSS with +25 offset on BBS LM 19x10 in the front. Also dropped on H&R Springs. No rubbing whatsoever. I think I'm going to go 265/35/19 next time around.
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I didn't read the thread but my 255/35/19 Conti DW rub on full lock.
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^ Stock wheels? Any spacers?

I'm sorry but your statement is a little too broad. Some additional info may help
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I have OEM 359 ZCP wheels, Hancook V12 255/35/19 front 275/35/19 rear. No spacers, lowered on KW Sleeve Over Kit. Absolutley no rubbing, not even on full lock.
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