Vishnu PWM Methanol/Procede Testing

[stega]

Question for Shiv. If I have a non stock tune (ESS, Dinan, Active, etc...) Would this work ontop of that or would I have to re-flash to stock?

[Muffnbluff]

ANy pics or explanation of where you've tapped the meth injection?

[flipm3]

Originally Posted by stega

Question for Shiv. If I have a non stock tune (ESS, Dinan, Active, etc...) Would this work ontop of that or would I have to re-flash to stock?

I was just about to ask the same question! I am rather curious as well.

Would those of us with our tune potentially gain even more than a stock car considering that our ignition timings may have already been adjusted?

[stega]

Originally Posted by Muffnbluff

ANy pics or explanation of where you've tapped the meth injection?

Yes I would also like to see where the injectors are if possible.

[TMR]

Originally Posted by flipm3

I was just about to ask the same question! I am rather curious as well.

Would those of us with our tune potentially gain even more than a stock car considering that our ignition timings may have already been adjusted?

Yea, im not sure if it will work or not but the way i look at it, it was $900 wasted down the drain to get my tune. Oh well, Its Shivs fault for not thinking of this earlier.

[lve2xlr8]

Would be cool if it activated with the pedal kickdown switch on DCT cars

[1Sleeper]

How about a "GO" button on the shifter.

[OpenFlash]

Just finished some initial dyno testing. I think the results are decent. I'll post the graphs up later tonight when i get home.

Cheers
Shiv

[creaminz]

Shiv come back to world of N54/N55.

[TMR]

Originally Posted by creaminz

Shiv come back to world of N54/N55.

Shut your mouth and let Shiv finish the M3 project!

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by 1Sleeper

How about a "GO" button on the shifter.

I think some people are mistaking methanol for nitrous. It is not, by itself a power enhancer. When you activate it, you don't feel it push you into your
seat. Methanol is a fuel that has a very high octane and a very high heat of vaporization. So the actual power gains come from the lower intake temps and the extra ignition advance the engine can safely run with the extra octane and lower IATs. The goal of the tuning is to make it invisible and seamless. Not to have it button activated like Brian Spilner.

[1Sleeper]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I think some people are mistaking methanol for nitrous. It is not, by itself a power enhancer. When you activate it, you don't feel it push you into your
seat. Methanol is a fuel that has a very high octane and a very high heat of vaporization. So the actual power gains come from the lower intake temps and the extra ignition advance the engine can safely run with the extra octane and lower IATs. The goal of the tuning is to make it invisible and seamless. Not to have it button activated like Brian Spilner.

I was actually kidding. And while I understand what the purpose of your exercise is, I also really like the idea of a "GO" button, but more Mad Max than Fast and Furious. You cant tell me an M3 with a big blower sticking through the hood wouldnt be F-ing cool. Good luck with your project, seems like with some legit #s it will be well received.

[creaminz]

Originally Posted by TMR

Shut your mouth and let Shiv finish the M3 project!

Oh chit! You sold ur 335i!!

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by stega

Question for Shiv. If I have a non stock tune (ESS, Dinan, Active, etc...) Would this work ontop of that or would I have to re-flash to stock?

For all intents and purposes, a non-stock flash is functionally equivalent to the stock tune with the exception of throttle mapping. I'm not convinced that they end up running much/any more ignition advance than the stock tune in pump gas applications. When running meth, I suppose less additive ignition advance will be needed (on meth) if you have a tune. If that is the case, we can simply reduce the amount of additive advance under meth.

[E92_carbonm3]

what would be a good estimate for kits hitting the market.. I want one, preorded list? sign me up..

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

For all intents and purposes, a non-stock flash is functionally equivalent to the stock tune with the exception of throttle mapping. I'm not convinced that they end up running much/any more ignition advance than the stock tune in pump gas applications. When running meth, I suppose less additive ignition advance will be needed (on meth) if you have a tune. If that is the case, we can simply reduce the amount of additive advance under meth.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by E92_carbonm3

what would be a good estimate for kits hitting the market.. I want one, preorded list? sign me up..

I should have pricing worked out in the next few days. I'll be posting up a bunch more info with regards to the Procede/pwm meth kit functionality soon (mapswitching, shift lights, code reading/clearing, cat delete code fix, adaption resets, in-dash displays, etc.)

[E92_carbonm3]

Awesome, great work I have an oe tune right now.. Are u gonna other some sort of package the kit with a tune? As someone else said in previous post wish u guys woulda came out with sooner so I didn't buy the oe tune first, but oh well I guess. Also I'm running a catless setup any idea on power range with this setup with your kit and tune?

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I should have pricing worked out in the next few days. I'll be posting up a bunch more info with regards to the Procede/pwm meth kit functionality soon (mapswitching, shift lights, code reading/clearing, cat delete code fix, adaption resets, in-dash displays, etc.)

[Singletrack]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

For all intents and purposes, a non-stock flash is functionally equivalent to the stock tune with the exception of throttle mapping. I'm not convinced that they end up running much/any more ignition advance than the stock tune in pump gas applications. When running meth, I suppose less additive ignition advance will be needed (on meth) if you have a tune. If that is the case, we can simply reduce the amount of additive advance under meth.

Well some claim that others force timing. Others claim to add power through vanos tuning...thoughts? ; )

Excited for this solution though. As someone who lives in a place that varies from consistently in the 20Fs to consistently in the 90Fs...I can attest to a very appreciable real world difference in power.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Singletrack

Well some claim that others force timing. Others claim to add power through vanos tuning...thoughts? ; )

Excited for this solution though. As someone who lives in a place that varies from consistently in the 20Fs to consistently in the 90Fs...I can attest to a very appreciable real world difference in power.

Soon, I hope to get my hands on a car with an aftermarket flash so I can datalog vanos and ignition timing values. It should be easy to see what they do on the tuning side of things. That would be necessary in order to offer a tune/meth combo to be put on top of it.

Has any end user ever done a controlled a/b test of a dme tune? Today, I saw the stock DME vary as much as 10-15whp depending on testing conditions/procedures. So holding all things constant when doing this would be very important.

shiv

[flipm3]

Although I'm very confident that select tunes do more than just throttle mapping and even just slight ignition timing advance, I'm quite interested to see the results of a properly tuned car with your meth kit. Although I don't having much knowledge on the intricacies of automotive tuning, I wonder how tuned VANOS timing and fuel delivery will effect the additive nature of proper methanol injection versus an otherwise stock car.

Looking forward to the results!

[IMG]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Soon, I hope to get my hands on a car with an aftermarket flash so I can datalog vanos and ignition timing values. It should be easy to see what they do on the tuning side of things. That would be necessary in order to offer a tune/meth combo to be put on top of it.

Has any end user ever done a controlled a/b test of a dme tune? Today, I saw the stock DME vary as much as 10-15whp depending on testing conditions/procedures. So holding all things constant when doing this would be very important.

PencilGeek has done something like this. You need to check the Dyno Database (www.bmwdynodatabase.com). He has about 400 M3 dyno's in it. He runs dyno days locally in your area. Lately he has been data logging the ECU during the dyno runs. All of the files are available for download through the Dyno Database. I know I've seen ECU logs for Dinan and Evolve tunes. There may be more.

[M3_FTW]

Subscribed, Very keen to get this