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Blah Blah Blah!!!
Akh23456, just meet up with M33 or IMG alreay and no more excuses!!!
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Lol Rick runs when he trapped 132 was also in negative DA on March 4 around 12 pm it -721 . Please stop posting false information. Area under the curve is key not peak HP. Quote:
lol I don't get why so people are so hurt over this run. Lm and I chill alot down here and is it wrong to run a friend?
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Where did I say peak HP? I'm talking about the area under the curve as well, from 6500-8400rpm, is that not the area under the curve on this motor where you are most of the time in a straightline race? You and Andrew need to get over it, the Vortech is a better blower for the S65, more so in the first dyno flip posted, the 2nd dyno not so much, but with Meth, meaning apples to apples, different story in any dyno to date as well as trap speed results and 60-130 data. There's only a few AA dyno's to even source, there are an abudunce of ESS dyno's and the VT535 - 625 have all made 500+, VT625's have made near 600whp, and a VT650, 600whp. Lol, one oversight and I need to stop posting false information, hyperbole much AK? You excel in that area, whether it's you claiming I said the DCT has an advantage of 10MPH, when I didn't, whether it's making excuses about not running another car besides LM, cause you never have in over a year, or claiming you ran a 6 second 60-130, but for some reason you don't feel the need to post the results, where you whined about me adding a list in order of trap speeds to the 1/4 mile sticky because you think it makes ESS look better, do you have a problem with facts? Then there's more excuses about meth issues, bald tires, broken belts, there's always something wrong, even when you win or do well, or whether you bash this forum when you post on another. It's the same story with you, constant excuses and misleading uninformed comments. What you need to do is man up and stop worrying about what the other guy does, or exaggerate when you believe you are catching someone in a lie, or as if everyone with a different setup than you has a motive, stop acting like a little child.
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Boost is boost, measured at the manifold it does not matter if it got there by a vortech blower, hks blower or hamster wheel. Not sure why anyone would think or believe different. |
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Agreed, it's wacko land in here at times. If you compare equal peak output, not boost, for the most part the HKS will make more TQ and have more power under the curve, who does that though when they compare or rate kits? If you compare boost, which most people should do, then the Vortech in most cases will make alot more peak HP and more power in the area under the curve where it matters most in a straightline race, ~6500 - Redline.
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09-09-2012, 12:34 PM | #102 | |
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You don't know what gear you're in? There you go again.
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yea i don't its fact but if you watch the video its pretty clear its not 2nd. I have never seen so many excuse from a group of people oh the car is down on power he should have raced in 2nd. A race is a race doesn't matter about other factors because it affects both cars and we were in the same gear all that matter.
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I appreciate the mutual respect! I have learned quite a bit from your countless threads and posts. Very informative which is what this forum is always in constant need of. Your videos are always a blast to watch as well when destroy other beastly cars, haha. On another completely different note. The topic of "apples to apples" comparison was brought up. I definitely understand everyone's standing on using boost or usage of meth use as a control. I think another way to look at is simply just comparing what every respective company offers in standard form of their kits, regardless of what boost is used, whether meth is used, regardless of supercharger used, or form of cooling. I think another way to look at comparison is comparing how every kit compares straight out of the factory with no extra modifications. Meaning: I would love to see a standard VT2-625 vs AA Stage 2 (with meth since it comes with it) vs VFE 620. All three kits rated at roughly 625hp regardless of methodology. To add to the control. Every car can start in the same gear, same speed, same RPM, then pull from there. I see that as a better apples-to-apples comparison simply because that is what is readily offered and advertised to the public. Then of course the arguments of certain kits requiring this or that to achieve given results can be made. Hopefully I explained that some what clearly...haha... Anyways, great discussion in this thread.
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There are many things that affect the boost pressure measured in an engine. The differences inboost pressure could be caused by many differences in the supercharger kit setups. If you notice the cars will read a higher boost level when the air is colder in the intake. Manifold design, intercooler design, methanol injection, compressor cover size/flow and cam timing can all affect the way boost pressure is made. If you dial out some overlap from the cams you can get the car to register almost 2 more lbs of boost. Does it make power? No, it loses power, but it's higher boost. Boost doesn't matter, flow matters. Boost levels cannot accurately be compared between two very different systems and blowers. If anyone in the Miami area would like to come down to the shop and feel how capable a fast spooling low and midrange m3 is in 95% of your driving situations. Let me know. Last edited by SflBimmer8484; 09-09-2012 at 01:07 PM.. |
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A vendor agent, that's all you got? lmao, you are full of conspiracy theories like your buddies, it's laughable the nonsense you spew. Here's your 6 second claim, as well as another conspiracy theory on how people manipulate data for their own cause, Quote:
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Look at the tach in the vid I posted, when Ricky shifts where is the next RPM range after each shift?
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If you were wrong by mistake it happens man but u know and i know i havn't lied about anything yet. Pretty simple.
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