2015 Mustang GT

[speedaddictM3]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

Yes I can tell a lot of differences between this interior and the one of the M3!

Care to list them? Personally I can't tell any difference other than the gearshift lever and the lack of the M3 buttons for EDC, Traction control, and Power.

As for the M3 not being that special, I think you are fooling yourself if you think so, IMO that's like saying a 911 or an Aston Martin are'nt special cars! Seriously, do you see a lot of V8 that revs north of 8000rpms in normal cars!?

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

I'd be curious to know what makes a Aston Martin or a 911 that much more special then an M3 for you!? Is it the price or the rarety!?

Actually it's a bit of both. For one, the 911 and Aston don't have a nearly identical-looking dirt cheap entry level version that anyone with a pulse can walk into a dealership and lease for 2 years.

Furthermore, there is also the limited production volume that makes them more rare and unique. BMW really ramped up production of the E9x M3 and wanted to make them far more mainstream. They made 66000 of them. So while an E9x M3 isn't as common as a Civic or Camry, seeing an M3 on the road is still not nearly as special an occasion as seeing a DBS or Vantage for example.

Heck, while we're on the subject. I'd say a Boss 302 Mustang is a more rare and unique and special car than an M3.

[klammer]

Originally Posted by speedaddictM3

Care to list them? Personally I can't tell any difference other than the gearshift lever and the lack of the M3 buttons for EDC, Traction control, and Power.

Actually it's a bit of both. For one, the 911 and Aston don't have a nearly identical-looking dirt cheap entry level version that anyone with a pulse can walk into a dealership and lease for 2 years.

Furthermore, there is also the limited production volume that makes them more rare and unique. BMW really ramped up production of the E9x M3 and wanted to make them far more mainstream. They made 66000 of them. So while an E9x M3 isn't as common as a Civic or Camry, seeing an M3 on the road is still not nearly as special an occasion as seeing a DBS or Vantage for example.

Heck, while we're on the subject. I'd say a Boss 302 Mustang is a more rare and unique and special car than an M3.

I'd agree with rare, not so much special.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by speedaddictM3

Care to list them? Personally I can't tell any difference other than the gearshift lever and the lack of the M3 buttons for EDC, Traction control, and Power.

Actually it's a bit of both. For one, the 911 and Aston don't have a nearly identical-looking dirt cheap entry level version that anyone with a pulse can walk into a dealership and lease for 2 years.

Furthermore, there is also the limited production volume that makes them more rare and unique. BMW really ramped up production of the E9x M3 and wanted to make them far more mainstream. They made 66000 of them. So while an E9x M3 isn't as common as a Civic or Camry, seeing an M3 on the road is still not nearly as special an occasion as seeing a DBS or Vantage for example.

Heck, while we're on the subject. I'd say a Boss 302 Mustang is a more rare and unique and special car than an M3.

You know what, maybe you're right, maybe the M3 ain't a special car, maybe really everyone that breathes can afforf a 3 series that looks almost identical to an M3, I must be disconnected from reality!

Maybe it's only in my part of the world that the M3 feels special because here we're covered with snow 4 months a year so people don't buy $80k rwd cars, that's why I see one in the streets maybe once a month, not everyday like you, that must be also why people are talking to me about my car almost everytime I go to the gaz station or even at stop lights sometimes, not because it's special, just because it's rare(here)!

But if the M3 really is not a special car then I got to ask you this; what did Carlos and Jonnhy meant at 9:25min to 10:05min!?

[k-lo]

Originally Posted by speedaddictM3

... I'd say a Boss 302 Mustang is a more rare and unique and special car than an M3.

Because there are several performance versions from the base Mustang:

Mustang GT
Shelby GT500
Boss 302

other variant:
Roush

Speaking of volumes, each version that comes out will be smaller in number. But if we were to play that game an M3 GTS would be rarer than a Boss 302.

[Billj747]

The new Mustang has a similar front LCA design as the E92/F30 with two lower control arms. The IRS in the rear is an integral rear link which IIRC: same design as the E38, E39, E53, E60, E63 cars.

1.5" lower roof, 1.3" lower hood, 2.8" lower rear decklid, and the whole greenhouse pushed back almost 2" with a 13mm wider stance.

The 305hp+ Turbo-4 should be an awesome little track car with a good weight distribution.

[dreamspeed]

I think it's too sleek for a muscle car. Shoulda been blockier

[Sapper_M3]

Originally Posted by dreamspeed

I think it's too sleek for a muscle car. Shoulda been blockier

The Mustang is coming to Europe and must appeal to a wider audience; gone are the muscle car days (although the Mustang and Camaro as "pony cars" were always a little sleeker and less blocky than the true muscle cars).

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by swanson

I think its a home run and will be very popular. I bet it will look stunning in person.

Agreed, I saw the car in Venice in person and photos dont do this car justice at all. It really is going to be a break through for Ford.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by swanson

That can be said about every base car. The roads are littered with c classes, 3 series and audi a4's.

sorry for late respond. i do agree but

i would rather have my base car be a BMW 3 series than a mustang V6.

So it already puts in you a different class car over a mustang.

i am sorry but no one is really that impressed by base mustangs. a new BMW 3 series is for sure a more impressive car. BMW brand name talks more than Ford.

when you get a M3. it makes your already expensive car look more expensive and nicer. IF you are into that type of stuff. and i must say, while i am in my 20s. i am into that kind of stuff.

and in my area. nice cars are common, but M3s are not. because of the roads and winter.

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by Ezio

sorry for late respond. i do agree but

i would rather have my base car be a BMW 3 series than a mustang V6.

So it already puts in you a different class car over a mustang.

i am sorry but no one is really that impressed by base mustangs. a new BMW 3 series is for sure a more impressive car. BMW brand name talks more than Ford.

when you get a M3. it makes your already expensive car look more expensive and nicer. IF you are into that type of stuff. and i must say, while i am in my 20s. i am into that kind of stuff.

and in my area. nice cars are common, but M3s are not. because of the roads and winter.

How can you make this statement when the 2015 Mustang isnt even out yet? If the issue is the 2005-2014 Mustang I would agree with you whole heartedly.

Dave

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by Dave07997S

How can you make this statement when the 2015 Mustang isnt even out yet? If the issue is the 2005-2014 Mustang I would agree with you whole heartedly.

Dave

because ford is not going to stop making base mustangs that cost around 20k. that people are going to love and buy. mustangs get real old real fast.

in fact ford talks about making a new base mustang that has a 4 cylinder engine. ford is going to try to sell the crap out of these cars.

[NYBulldog]

Really great looking car... that being said I'd probably never own one. Not a complete deviation from past gen but it looks much more refined and complex, the newer gens have really brought back the Mustang so I'm sure Ford though why mess with a winning look.

[acevo8]

Part of the reason also as to why we see so many base model mustangs that "dilute" the rarity of these cars is that Ford (as does Chevy with their Camaro) has deals with the rental car companies. Let's face it, both cars are mass produced vehicles that are not "rare." I read a comment above regarding the Impreza, subaru is one of the most component/modular car manufacturers out there. They have a mindset of lego builders in that a large quantity of their parts are interchanged between models. Does the fact that they share parts among models make them any less rare? Nope, because they are still one of the lesser mass produced vehicles compared to say Toyota or Honda. This "lego" model between their different markets (US versions, Japanese versions, etc...) is what helps them keep production costs down. The fact of the matter is, car companies are out to make money, BMW's market share is held by the 3 series. The e90/e92 M3 is a great car, and i love the way the s65 screams, but we can't discount the fact that the coyote 5.0 in the new mustang isn't an engineering piece of art too. It has 390 lb/ft of torque, weighs like 444lbs, and can still get close to 25mpg on it. We're car enthusiasts, we need to give props where its due. Ford and Chevy are upping their game.

[Raja Ventureshield]

Originally Posted by GreeKon

Really? This "throwback" bodystyle has been around since 2005...and now it'll go for another 4 years approximately. That's basically the same car (with some facelifts here and there) for 14 years. I guess I'm crazy :confused

The car is not ugly by ANY means. Guess I'm just disappointed because I expected a completely redesigned car

in that case the 911 has been the same for 50 years.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by Raja Ventureshield

in that case the 911 has been the same for 50 years.

i think the Porsche look. (small, wide, low, aggressive, yet still classy and European ) is bullet proof. they have the look down to a art. and the cars keep getting better looking without doing make overs.

one problem with mustangs is how many are made. WAY more than any 911. so they get old fast. ford trys to keep them updated to a new look.

on top of that, if you really look at a mustang. they are not that pretty. unless you get some full loaded GT500 the cars don't really look that great. at least in recent decade.

so that formula doesn't necessary work on every car.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Ezio

because ford is not going to stop making base mustangs that cost around 20k. that people are going to love and buy. mustangs get real old real fast.

in fact ford talks about making a new base mustang that has a 4 cylinder engine. ford is going to try to sell the crap out of these cars.

The 320i doesn't really help your argument.

Funny how US mindsets are. Over in Europe BMW's and Mercedes are used for taxis.

[JTO24]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

The 320i doesn't really help your argument.

Funny how US mindsets are. Over in Europe BMW's and Mercedes are used for taxis.

That's true.. I was in Vienna last month on business and the taxi's were LCI E-classes haha

[Wild_Will]

LoL yup I was shocked here when a 70K Benz Wagon Taxi showed up on post.

I can never ride in a NYC taxi again now!

[positiveions]

Design looks good. But I think headlights look too much like a Taurus.

[austinla335d]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

I think you should take an other look at the pictures because this ain't even close to be the same car that's been around for a while now!

I love the look of this new Mustang, it looks a lot less like a muscle car and more like a sport car!!

You said it: The Mustang is on a diet and it can now be considered a sports car. Not that it wasn't, but... it wasn't.

And to the OP, that first image you posted has Aston Martin written all over it. At a glance it looks like an Aston Martin. I thought this thread was sarcastic when I first glanced at your comments. The redesign is incredible.

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by Ezio

because ford is not going to stop making base mustangs that cost around 20k. that people are going to love and buy. mustangs get real old real fast.

in fact ford talks about making a new base mustang that has a 4 cylinder engine. ford is going to try to sell the crap out of these cars.

The 4cyl. Ecoboost engine will not be the base Mustang, the V6 will be. The fact of the matter is BMW makes mid to upper 20K base 3 series ala 320i. A base Mustang would run away and hide from a BMW 320i.

Dave

[Dave07997S]

I can't wait to see the Boss's, Shelbys with the new Mustang. These are just the plain jane Mustang GTs.

Dave