BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > E90/E92 M3 Technical Topics > Track / Autocross / Dragstrip / Driving Techniques
 
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      04-26-2011, 08:10 PM   #23
STALKER
Brigadier General
169
Rep
3,830
Posts

Drives: 997.2 GT3, Golf R
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Toronto, ON

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin_D View Post
What is the price for the car?
This could be perfect for your new project.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      04-26-2011, 08:12 PM   #24
Martin_D
Lieutenant Colonel
Martin_D's Avatar
United_States
102
Rep
1,787
Posts

Drives: Ford Super Duty
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Raleigh, NC

iTrader: (34)

Quote:
Originally Posted by STALKER View Post
This could be perfect for your new project.
woo

Last edited by Martin_D; 04-26-2011 at 08:24 PM..
Appreciate 0
      04-26-2011, 08:13 PM   #25
Richbot
Major General
2743
Rep
5,478
Posts

Drives: Jerez Black E90
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: STL

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by VSmotorsports View Post
Wow legal for T2 now! The new mustang, camaro ,and now the e92. What is the race weight for the e92
50lbs heavier than the Mustang, 25 heavier than the Camaro, 50 lbs *lighter* than the 6.0l CTS-V. I think the weight is fair. With 315mm max tire width on 18x10's, DCT allowed, and on the same spec line as the GTS which means retrofitting GTS part numbers to regular M3's is fair game, it should definitely be interesting, and expensive. The DCT might be key if it can withstand the abuse over a season of racing, aside from the obvious shift speed advantage, lap-after-lap consistency is a big advantage in any racecar.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      04-26-2011, 08:34 PM   #26
stega
Captain
28
Rep
666
Posts

Drives: 2011 M3 E93
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Boca Raton, FL

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin_D View Post
woo
Dooo it
Appreciate 0
      04-26-2011, 08:42 PM   #27
kiloil
Second Lieutenant
kiloil's Avatar
21
Rep
294
Posts

Drives: 2015 M4
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: USA

iTrader: (0)

Just out of curiosity why does the engine max out at 7800RPM instead of 8400RPM like stock E92? Could you raise the stroker to 8400 without major internal changes?
__________________
2015 M4
Looking for a 50' SeaRay
Appreciate 0
      04-26-2011, 09:21 PM   #28
STALKER
Brigadier General
169
Rep
3,830
Posts

Drives: 997.2 GT3, Golf R
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Toronto, ON

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin_D View Post
woo
I saw your original post!!!
So busted!!!!
__________________
Appreciate 0
      04-26-2011, 09:37 PM   #29
FLMS
New Member
3
Rep
11
Posts

Drives: 2008 E92 M3
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Chi-town burbs

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin_D View Post
What is the price for the car?
That's the dilemma....As configured the car really makes sense for a Grand-Am team or someone who want's to. Or a really high end track toy. The owner has $90k on his mind. Considering what he has into it I understand. We'll have to find some flexibility if we want to move the car.
Appreciate 0
      04-26-2011, 09:44 PM   #30
FLMS
New Member
3
Rep
11
Posts

Drives: 2008 E92 M3
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Chi-town burbs

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Richbot View Post
50lbs heavier than the Mustang, 25 heavier than the Camaro, 50 lbs *lighter* than the 6.0l CTS-V. I think the weight is fair. With 315mm max tire width on 18x10's, DCT allowed, and on the same spec line as the GTS which means retrofitting GTS part numbers to regular M3's is fair game, it should definitely be interesting, and expensive. The DCT might be key if it can withstand the abuse over a season of racing, aside from the obvious shift speed advantage, lap-after-lap consistency is a big advantage in any racecar.
I'm anxious to see how things play out as well! The GTS spec line is a little hard to understand though?!? GTS bits are impossible to come by I believe. The DCT reliability is a big unknown. They are going to have to make some serious concessions for the E46's I think. If they decide to cut weight for the E46 M a couple hundred pounds that might be the even hotter ticket! Gonna be a fun season!
Appreciate 0
      04-26-2011, 09:50 PM   #31
Martin_D
Lieutenant Colonel
Martin_D's Avatar
United_States
102
Rep
1,787
Posts

Drives: Ford Super Duty
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Raleigh, NC

iTrader: (34)

Quote:
Originally Posted by STALKER View Post
I saw your original post!!!
So busted!!!!
Atleast you can laugh about it!
Appreciate 0
      04-26-2011, 09:52 PM   #32
Martin_D
Lieutenant Colonel
Martin_D's Avatar
United_States
102
Rep
1,787
Posts

Drives: Ford Super Duty
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Raleigh, NC

iTrader: (34)

Quote:
Originally Posted by FLMS View Post
That's the dilemma....As configured the car really makes sense for a Grand-Am team or someone who want's to. Or a really high end track toy. The owner has $90k on his mind. Considering what he has into it I understand. We'll have to find some flexibility if we want to move the car.
I put over $200k into my current M3. I could not sell it for $100k if I tried. When you think M3 you think $70k loaded, $58k bare bones.

Can you give me a full spec list on the car?
Appreciate 0
      04-26-2011, 10:20 PM   #33
FLMS
New Member
3
Rep
11
Posts

Drives: 2008 E92 M3
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Chi-town burbs

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin_D View Post
I put over $200k into my current M3. I could not sell it for $100k if I tried. When you think M3 you think $70k loaded, $58k bare bones.

Can you give me a full spec list on the car?
I am all too familiar with the scenario. It's a delicate issue and sometimes an exercise in patience when handling a client/customer car. I will continue to work on it.

Here are the pics I have on my system at home. I will send you a complete spec sheet when I get to the office in the morning.

My apologies....my resizing skills need work!
Attached Images
          
Appreciate 0
      04-26-2011, 10:24 PM   #34
Martin_D
Lieutenant Colonel
Martin_D's Avatar
United_States
102
Rep
1,787
Posts

Drives: Ford Super Duty
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Raleigh, NC

iTrader: (34)

Great thanks.
Appreciate 0
      04-26-2011, 10:25 PM   #35
mkPOTO
Mr. Nice Says Hello
mkPOTO's Avatar
634
Rep
16,662
Posts

Drives: BMW M3 | X5 xdrive 35i MSport
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: USA

iTrader: (25)

Garage List
the car is actually worth the price the owner is asking, quick disconnect harness, and everything you need to make it a full out race car
Appreciate 0
      04-26-2011, 10:27 PM   #36
Richbot
Major General
2743
Rep
5,478
Posts

Drives: Jerez Black E90
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: STL

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by FLMS View Post
I'm anxious to see how things play out as well! The GTS spec line is a little hard to understand though?!? GTS bits are impossible to come by I believe. The DCT reliability is a big unknown. They are going to have to make some serious concessions for the E46's I think. If they decide to cut weight for the E46 M a couple hundred pounds that might be the even hotter ticket! Gonna be a fun season!
I think the more likely scenario is that they leave the current T2 frontrunners alone and monitor the situation for the rest of the season with more changes in the winter, using the rationale that the lighter cars are probably more competitive at tracks that aren't Road America. The 5.0 and E92 will obviously be much faster at RA with good development and driving, there's just way too much straightaway. This has the side benefit of giving Ford a big win to put in their marketing materials if the cars are developed fast enough.

That fuel cell location might be problematic under the Touring ruleset. Might be able to make a convincing case to the T-SS for an allowance for trunk-mounted cells a'la ITS E36 though, especially since a bunch of Grand Am chassis run with the cell there and the stock tank is a saddle-type tank. Crossovers from other sanctions are always a good reason to allow safety modifications that don't impact performance. I bet it would pass tech since it's not really their job to ensure compliance beyond a car built to the minimum safety requirements, but I think it'd lose a protest if somebody threw paper.

Does that bar between the rear shock towers tie in to the cage mounting plate or is it welded directly to the chassis?

After seeing pics of the car and with the $$$ engine in mind I think it might be better to sell the car as-is and start over with a Touring build in mind, got any spare E92 bodies-in-white laying around?
__________________

Last edited by Richbot; 04-26-2011 at 10:47 PM..
Appreciate 0
      04-26-2011, 10:45 PM   #37
signes
Brigadier General
signes's Avatar
United_States
199
Rep
4,318
Posts

Drives: 991 GT3 RS
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Living at (almost...) 9k

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by FLMS View Post
Unfortunately the motor was purchased without the Dinan warranty. Otherwise, I would be digging through couch cushions and do the swap in my own car!

The E92 is in T2 at 3700 lbs. Should be interesting.

I will talk to the owner tonight and post contact info tomorrow for those that might be interested.

Thanks again for everyones input!
Still very interested depending on the price. Please keep me posted. Thanks.
__________________
GT3 RS | Desperately seeking the next great M car...
Appreciate 0
      04-27-2011, 07:53 AM   #38
lucid
Major General
lucid's Avatar
United_States
374
Rep
8,033
Posts

Drives: E30 M3; Expedition
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: USA

iTrader: (0)

How much is it putting down on a dynojet and what is the race weight with driver? I suspect it would land smack in the middle of NASA GTS5 and would not be particularly competitive, but something to consider if you haven't already...
__________________
Appreciate 0
      04-27-2011, 12:11 PM   #39
kyleb350
Brigadier General
kyleb350's Avatar
United_States
422
Rep
4,709
Posts

Drives: '21 X3MC
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Milwaukee

iTrader: (6)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kiloil View Post
Just out of curiosity why does the engine max out at 7800RPM instead of 8400RPM like stock E92? Could you raise the stroker to 8400 without major internal changes?
When stroked, the pistons have to travel a greater distance in the same amount of time at the same RPM compared to a stock engine. So assuming the pistons could only move so fast, the redline must be lowered. I'm not sure what has to be done to keep the redline the same, but it wouldn't be cheap.
Appreciate 0
      04-27-2011, 12:41 PM   #40
Martin_D
Lieutenant Colonel
Martin_D's Avatar
United_States
102
Rep
1,787
Posts

Drives: Ford Super Duty
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Raleigh, NC

iTrader: (34)

Anyone near NC/MD/VA have one of these installed? We can go to VIR on a member day, I want to feel it around the track.

You get a free track day out of it
Appreciate 0
      04-27-2011, 01:01 PM   #41
Mavrick151
First Lieutenant
United_States
12
Rep
321
Posts

Drives: 2020 M2C
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: OC CA --> Dallas, TX

iTrader: (1)

If you can get Dinan to warranty the motor I am interested
Appreciate 0
      04-27-2011, 02:16 PM   #42
nd54
Captain
United_States
76
Rep
649
Posts

Drives: RDSport RS 46
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Los Angeles

iTrader: (6)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kiloil View Post
Just out of curiosity why does the engine max out at 7800RPM instead of 8400RPM like stock E92? Could you raise the stroker to 8400 without major internal changes?
The redline on a stroker motor is still 8400rpm, just like the stock motor, but it makes peak power at a lower rpm than stock. I have the 4.6L RDSport motor in my car.
Appreciate 0
      04-27-2011, 03:18 PM   #43
BRDHNTR
Ground Pilot
BRDHNTR's Avatar
United_States
41
Rep
548
Posts

Drives: e92 BMW M3
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Waverly, PA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2002 M3  [0.00]
2008 e92 M3  [0.00]
Wow...now that's a track toy! It's kind of amazing that we can justify racing something like that. I would do this as well because there is something especially cool about racing a GT car, but it's hard to think that for $70K or so you can buy a Radical and go faster around a track.
__________________
"The laws of physics cannot be repealed, even with DSC." - BMW Owner's Manual

Appreciate 0
      04-27-2011, 03:58 PM   #44
SM#80
Private
7
Rep
79
Posts

Drives: '08 E92
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Chicago

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by FLMS View Post
I'm anxious to see how things play out as well! The GTS spec line is a little hard to understand though?!? GTS bits are impossible to come by I believe. The DCT reliability is a big unknown. They are going to have to make some serious concessions for the E46's I think. If they decide to cut weight for the E46 M a couple hundred pounds that might be the even hotter ticket! Gonna be a fun season!
When I read your posts, I read it in Tim's voice... Wonder why?
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:52 AM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST