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I was there, mini's doors basically flew open and pealed away, letting arms and legs of passengers (student and instructor) get crushed by the car as it rolled over. They are lucky their torsos did not make it outside.
Second incident at willow springs, same thing happened, but driver was killed when his torso exited the vehicle while rolling. It was pretty obvious to me, after seeing how the passengers were injured at TWS, I will never ride in a Mini on a track at high speed. Sucks because it could have been a freak accident/or the new models fixed, but seeing that car, it was so obvious in your gut that the car just failed those guys when they needed to be protected. |
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They did stay on the vehicle however in this crash with multiple rolls. Not sure if it is a GEN II model. http://www.motoringfile.com/2010/05/...allenge-crash/ |
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When I typed that, they did. It was rescheduled. Now I just need to get back home to send out a check...whatever that is.
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I really want to do this event as well. But it looks like the lowest class group is sold out. I have done a dozen track days in other cars but not the M3 yet....dying to get it on the track but not many MSR or Eagles Canyon open events and I really don't have the time to sit through a Drivers Edge or weekend course for the entire weekend.
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I've been far away from my checkbook. Will be until Thurs.
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As far as the # of days to get to yellow... there is no magic # but I would say 12 days (6 events) is a pretty rapid rise from green to an advanced level. There are simply many concepts to be learned, and then CONFIRMED that the driver knows these concepts... Quote:
A single day lapping event or member day at a member track should be something one does after they have attended several events. While one can learn some items at a lapping day.. unfortunately these events skip a lot of the basics to save on expenses.. - limited or NO corner workers - limited or NO flags being displayed - limited or NO instruction - limited supervision of drivers - are they being courteous? are they giving proper passing signals? Receiving passing signals? or is it a race down the straight? - limited development of skill sets - Is the driver SEEING flags? aware of their importance? is the driver apexing early? prperly? using heel and toe properly? trail braking? left foot braking? How does oanyone know ? How does the driver know ? The simple fact is that lapping days can reinforce bad behaviors, or allow a driver to train themselves with undesirable behaviors. For example.. if one does say.. 3 events with instruction... and then is solo'd.... and does a bunch of lapping days... Are they PREPARED or AWARE of flags or are they used to blasting around because there normally are not corner workers.. ? Did those 3 events with instruction just focus on learning the course and getting around the track... but what of other skills? In my experience.. a person that has developed by attending a single track repeatedly , still has a fairly limited skill set based on the types of turns at that track. Throw in unique corners (multiple apex.. diamond turns.. hairpins) , unique speeds, elevation change (particularly blind corners), walls, armco or fencing etc.. .... and suddenly there is a lot more to learn than what exists at say.. an MSR Houston. Even the difference in elevation change between MSR Cresson 3.1 and say... ECR is significant .. because ECR has no truly completely blind full throttle turns or hills like the entry to the " toilet bowl" on the MSR 3.1. Finally... it's important to recognize that going to a single track and moving to an advanced level at that one track, does not make the driver an ADVANCED level driver at another track... Typically it's wise to move one run group lower at a track that one is not familiar with, so that you will have time to learn the new course while not being harrased by other drivers that know the track because they have been there 40 times. Points to Ponder.. Last edited by M3 Adjuster; 02-05-2014 at 02:01 PM.. |
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The point about being advanced on a particular track not translating 100% to a new one makes perfect sense. My problem is that being in Austin means that every track except TWS (and the rarely available CotA) is over 3 hours away, which is quite a commitment especially Sunday evening when you're already dog tired from an entire weekend at the track before you even hit the road home. I did run MSR Cresson back in Green once though because a friend wanted to check out the track and that was the event that fit in his schedule. I'm lucky that TWS can be run in both directions, so I get SOME of the benefits of multiple tracks, but of course it's not the same as completely separate tracks. Still, I think the vast majority of participants will be new to CotA anyway simply because there haven't been many opportunities to run it (and most of the available events have been absurdly expensive), so the issue of run group on one track not fully carrying over should affect most participants. I caught rides during last year's CCA event and I'll be studying videos closely in preparation for my weekend, and when I'm there I'll at least have the car control and track awareness skills I've developed elsewhere even if the track itself won't be terribly familiar. But I don't time myself and I'm just out there to have a great time, so I have absolutely no problem dialing it back a bit.
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So I don't think 1 day events are useful for development purposes. They can be fun though!
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You can always hop onto the wait list (no idea how long that is at the moment), but yes unless there are cancellations, it's not an option.
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I'll see you guys there Saturday and Sunday, would love to meet and greet.
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I'll be there as well. I was hoping I could use this time as a chance to sort the new setup but parts didn't make it in time. But since the weather is nice I'll go anyway.
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I went to ECR last weekend on Sunday. Looks like my friend Bruce is coming up so 50/50 chance I will go up as well. Not sure if I will drive or just watch since I was there this week already.
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