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To whom are you referring regarding many other kits? There are not many other kits and what have you seen exactly? You are not located near anyone producing kits and it is a small number. |
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01-17-2010, 05:07 PM | #47 | |
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It has been established there are several boost levels at work yet you are making a sweeping generalization. Not to mention you are making it dependent on a dyno posted by ESS which is uncorrected as they have done many times before. Where are indpendent ESS numbers? Where are ESS track times? Where are ESS 60-130 figures? Why has ESS not responded to challenges by other forced induction companies? Why does ESS continue to post dyno numbers instead of real world results? It is far easier to type and post uncorrected dyno graphs than get out there and put it to the test in the real world. So far, it seems only one company has done something other than post dyno graphs. From what I have seen from the car you are referencing is that it is tuned on 91 octane and run on the street, how is it not a streetable setup? The issue is no other tuner is at this level yet. |
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01-17-2010, 05:18 PM | #48 |
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LOL- Funny how the votes for Gintani went from 4 to 17 in a matter of an hour.
A little fishy. Also I knew a certain "banned" member could not stay away from this thread. He just had to make a new account. You know who you are. This thread was created with a Gintani bias. Funny thing is the votes went totally in ESS favor. |
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01-17-2010, 05:21 PM | #49 | |
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Funny how ESS has not posted a single real world figure, they only post uncorrected dyno's that the small minded eat up. Funny thing, isn't it? What is fishy is how bimmerpost has been protecting ESS. |
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01-17-2010, 05:29 PM | #50 | |
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We are very aware of how much power this car can make on pump gas and where the safety limits are. A great deal of time went into testing the limits of this motor with FI on pump fuel. We have done our best to keep safety margin a high priority with this and all of our products while at the same time making a competitive kit. At the end of the day its always good that there are different vendors / options for customers so they can find the product that best fits their needs. |
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01-17-2010, 05:33 PM | #51 | |
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If you do not feel the need to post you are the fastest why do you post uncorrected graphs showing inflated peak figures? Exactly, it is great that there are different options out there. However, there is only one option for people who want the top performance at the moment and there are several for those who want a wide safety margin. ESS is not the only one who has been doing testing although for some reason it is portrayed that way. Why have you not posted any numbers from a drag strip? |
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01-17-2010, 05:56 PM | #52 | |
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01-17-2010, 06:00 PM | #53 | |
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Seems right in line with other results with race gas and exhaust... What gas and what fuel btw? Seems cars with the same boost and similar exhaust setups are hitting similar numbers, as it should be. |
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01-17-2010, 06:06 PM | #54 | |
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01-17-2010, 06:11 PM | #55 |
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Well, you did the tune, didn't you? So you had to have some idea as to the quality you would be tuning for, how much boost?
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01-17-2010, 06:17 PM | #56 |
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The tune is for 93 octane this car runs 6.5 psi. The quality of fuel varies in different regions. This file is used for pushing the limits of the kit with most of the safety margins removed. It is the file we use on the GS race car.
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01-17-2010, 06:27 PM | #57 |
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Glad to have all the details and the proper context now, thank you!
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01-17-2010, 06:32 PM | #58 | |
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The mile is not far more meaningful there is a far smaller base to compare against not to mention it is far more dangerous. The transmission cooler is the exact same part number. You are referring to how the duct is set up and it has been estabalished the cooler is not good enough as it is set up. It does not matter how much plastic there is or not, it is not up to par and they simply shared the part from the manual, period. How else do you explain stock cars going into limp mode? We all do realize the manual came first, BMW had a chance to change the design, they didn't, they shared it. Weird, the uncorrected dyno is a lot lower, is it not? The uncorrected dyno is more in line with other uncorrected dyno's posted, isn't it? There have been one or two posted from customer cars on invdividual dyno's? Please, post the links, lets see these 630 wheel numbers The GS Bilder car is not ignored, it is posted quite often, you seemed to bring it up now. What would you like to discuss about it? How it has the support of a race team? How it is a custom one off but others are faulted for doing things that are not cookie cutter and more complex? How it is not what most customers will be doing? This one-sided interpretation is a bit depressing. |
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01-17-2010, 06:54 PM | #59 |
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way too early to judge, there are only a very few customer cars out there
and a lot of current customers have sponsorship ties to vendors, which means you need to take whatever they say with a very big grain of salt. Also the HKS/AA kit is not yet in production, nor is VF. VF's reputation has taken a beating lately, but my point is that two major players have yet to even release their kits, so it's a little early to say which is the best. |
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01-17-2010, 07:05 PM | #60 | |
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01-17-2010, 07:15 PM | #61 |
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So that there is no misunderstanding the GS car runs our off the shelf VT2-600 kit with slightly increased boost levels and our race tune software. Other then a smaller pulley and software that is more agressive then our production version the kit is exactly the same. Building a one off special kit for that car would not do us any good as the car was designed to R&D test the production hardware on a stock motor under extreme conditions.
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01-17-2010, 07:19 PM | #62 |
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I wish my car was in the States for the shootout!!!!!!
I would love to join and maybe my engine won't blow!!! But if it does!!!!! I am getting a Gintani kit for SURE
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01-17-2010, 07:29 PM | #63 | |
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It is not too early to compare performance. |
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01-17-2010, 07:33 PM | #64 | |
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You don't seem to understand proving it on the drag strip is far more meaningfull, all the mile does it give you a terminal speed, big deal. How is ESS going to prove at the mile that their DCT software can handle the power? I haven't seen any launch control videos or any attempts from a supercharged DCT car other than Gintani personally. Plus, who are you to tell people what measure of performance they should use? If someone wants to run the 1/4 mile what are they supposed to do? Say they want to run the mile instead? Ask for mile events to be set up and get people out there? The 1/4 mile is the standard and provides ET and trap speed, not too many people care if their car can hit 190 in the mile but they do care if they can blow someone away in a shorter burst. Sorry, but people prefer 1/4 mile and 60-130 times, perhaps you prefer the mile because the stroker has yet to eclipse bolt on cars both in roll on's and both in 1/4 mile races? |
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01-17-2010, 07:34 PM | #65 | |
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I think that goes for every kit on the market so far. |
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01-17-2010, 07:40 PM | #66 | |
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Hmm, I could have sworn I saw a video posted from Gintani showing launch control in use without any issues? I don't believe we have seen that from anyone else? Seems to me it has been "established" that your information is now out of date. Gintani has also established that they are willing to test on the strip, no one else has. The corrected dyno charts show a sizable difference, that is the whole point, why did you miss it? Seems that when the dyno numbers are corrected they are putting out what they should be... why post the uncorrected chart? Maybe because it shows higher peak figures? If Roman posted the charts that means they are hand picked and come from his own dyno. When an owner independent of Roman or having Roman post a chart posts, let me know. The figures will not match 630 wheel, I can tell you that. The GS car is overseas first of all and it is not like this is a regular customer vehicle. So you are bringing it up for what purpose? It has a different pulley and different tuning and is being built for a single purpose. It has far greater support from ESS and from having to be in race trim than anyone else. How is this being ignored? The GS car has been mentioned several times, are you trying to make a point here? If so, what is it? |
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