Rear tire life poll

anselmw · 11-20-2013, 04:54 AM

After owning my M3 for about two years at 22K miles, rear tire life is very surprising. Stock contis lasted about 12k miles. Current PSS with 6k feels squirmy and looks like it will only last to about 8K miles. This seems low for ultra high performance tires with only street driving.

By comparison, my m coupe seems to get about 25 to 30k miles on rear tires and is driven the same way.

What does everyone else get on rear tires and what type of driving?

yoelev · 11-20-2013, 05:13 AM

i voted, but i have no idea what your statement means. are you saying your e90 got double or more the tire life? and your e92 is in the 5-10k range?

anselmw · 11-20-2013, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by yoelev

i voted, but i have no idea what your statement means. are you saying your e90 got double or more the tire life? and your e92 is in the 5-10k range?

Sorry, to clarify, my E90 M3 is getting less than 10K miles on the rear tires. Just looked today and after 6K miles the rears are to the cords.

My Z3 M coupe is a lighter car but same tires and i drive it the same way but the tires usually last about 25K miles.

Thik · 11-20-2013, 10:32 AM

If you don't do burnouts then rear tires should last 30k miles at least. I have 13K on my PSS, driving spiritedly including one track day. Looks almost new with lots of tread. plan on driving on it for another 20K.

anselmw · 11-20-2013, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Thik

If you don't do burnouts then rear tires should last 30k miles at least. I have 13K on my PSS, driving spiritedly including one track day. Looks almost new with lots of tread. plan on driving on it for another 20K.

No burnouts but I know the Michelin warranty on PSS's is 30K miles but only 15K miles for staggered setups so I am surprised you could get double what they recommend especially with one track day.

I am going to see if an alignment helps as there is some small uneven wear.

Ezio · 11-20-2013, 12:45 PM

my rears lasted 10k miles with factory rubber. i drive on the street like i am on the track often. although no burnouts

Sedan_Clan · 11-20-2013, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by anselmw

After owning my M3 for about two years at 22K miles, rear tire life is very surprising. Stock contis lasted about 12k miles. Current PSS with 6k feels squirmy and looks like it will only last to about 8K miles. This seems low for ultra high performance tires with only street driving.

By comparison, my m coupe seems to get about 25 to 30k miles on rear tires and is driven the same way.

What does everyone else get on rear tires and what type of driving?

My Michelin PS2's lasted a little over 20k (..25k-ish), but I also manage my right foot really well.

Ezio · 11-20-2013, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

, but I also manage my right foot really well.

i hope i never get to the point where i have to manage a right foot. honest statement

M4Now! · 11-20-2013, 01:10 PM

Can't vote until later (phone), but can report 13.9k on PSS, a bit less on PS2s.

You can get a credit for the PSS mileage warranty.

Cheers

Sedan_Clan · 11-20-2013, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ezio

i hope i never get to the point where i have to manage a right foot. honest statement

I live in California and my job is to cite those that don't manage that right foot well. I also exercise my right wrist (...and grind down knee pucks) at the track multiple times a month, so the need to drive and/or ride like a hooligan is minimized.

auggiem3 · 11-20-2013, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Thik

If you don't do burnouts then rear tires should last 30k miles at least. I have 13K on my PSS, driving spiritedly including one track day. Looks almost new with lots of tread. plan on driving on it for another 20K.

I've never heard of anyone getting 30k out of PSS rears. I've gotten up to 15k and know a few very conservative (read - much older) M3 owners that can clip 20k but 30k+ would be a feat.

Sandye90m3 · 11-20-2013, 01:23 PM

On the 19's I was able to attain 12k miles on the rears. However, on 19's, this car was driven in a colder climate so I'm not to sure if that makes a difference. I would have that the tires would have lasted longer in a colder climate.

My second set was on 18" and I was able to get 27k miles, however these were driven in the SoCal climate.

Both sets were on PS2. Now that I think about it I'm not sure how I was able to get 27K from the rear, if the standard warranty form Michelin was 15K w/o rotating. I'm slightly confused...

Ezio · 11-20-2013, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I live in California and my job is to cite those that don't manage that right foot well. I also exercise my right wrist (...and grind down knee pucks) at the track multiple times a month, so the need to drive and/or ride like a hooligan is minimized.

cally law enforcement is the worse, glad to see there is at least one cool one out there.

anselmw · 11-20-2013, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ezio

i hope i never get to the point where i have to manage a right foot. honest statement

Same here. I wonder if sustained three digit speeds impact the life of the tires as they are rated well above anything I have been driving.

Sedan_Clan · 11-20-2013, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ezio

cally law enforcement is the worse, glad to see there is at least one cool one out there.

Thanks man. Surprisingly, there are a lot of enthusiasts that work in law enforcement here.

GVIFlyer · 11-20-2013, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I live in California and my job is to cite those that don't manage that right foot well. I also exercise my right wrist (...and grind down knee pucks) at the track multiple times a month, so the need to drive and/or ride like a hooligan is minimized.

So that was you! I grew up in SoCal and became fully aware of California Vehicle Code 23109 and its subsections well before my 21st birthday.

Sedan_Clan · 11-20-2013, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GVFlyer

So that was you! I grew up in SoCal and became fully aware of California Vehicle Code 23109 and its subsections well before my 21st birthday.

Egads! Not me.

I rarely ticket BMW's (...although I had no choice but to tag a 750i earlier this year that was doing 120mph southbound on the I-15). CVC 23109 and I became well acquainted in my late teens/earlier 20's.....back when Ontario was THE PLACE to drag race cars. I am proud to have been a part of that subculture that led to industrial Ontario, California becoming littered with speed bumps spaced about 40 yards apart.

k-lo · 11-20-2013, 04:29 PM

I'm close to 27K right now on PSS. Pleasantly surprised. Still have at least 4K miles of life. I'm not brutal with my tires. No burnouts or hard launches. When I know I got good traction that's when I bury the gas pedal.

Transfer · 11-20-2013, 04:46 PM

I'm on track for about 20k on my PSS aggressive DD with one track day. Not sure how someone could have tires to cords after 6k normal driving miles. That's whack.

MattE92 · 11-20-2013, 04:48 PM

this is a little pointless, the life of your tire has many variables i.e. brand of tire, road temp, how each person drive, and the millage being city or highway...

i got 12k miles with my pirelli pzero's and i just installed toyo proxy 4plus i expect to double that if not more (G-d willing)...

Sedan_Clan · 11-20-2013, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Transfer

I'm on track for about 20k on my PSS aggressive DD with one track day. Not sure how someone could have tires to cords after 6k normal driving miles. That's whack.

I've wondered the same thing myself.

Edward · 11-20-2013, 04:56 PM

I have no idea because I've run 4190 on my stock contis so far. Haven't checked thread depth. on my 335is with P-Zero run flats I got 19,500. Really it should have been 17,000 because when replacing, not just cord, but metal shards and wire were coming out of the inside shoulders. By 29k miles when I replaced them with Michelin PSS, I had gone through two rear pairs of P-Zero run flats which are soft tires with poor treadwear rating. I have a super heavy foot. I bet the contis on my M3 last around that or less.

View Poll Results: How many miles do you get from your rear tires
Less than 5K miles	2	2.13%
More than 5K and less than 10K miles	19	20.21%
More than 10K and less than 15K miles	34	36.17%
More than 15K and less than 20K miles	19	20.21%
More than 20K miles and less than 25K miles	12	12.77%
More than 25K miles	8	8.51%
Voters: 94. You may not vote on this poll

11-20-2013, 04:54 AM	#1
anselmw Lieutenant 76 Rep 422 Posts Drives: 2001 M Coupe Join Date: May 2012 Location: East Bay, CA iTrader: (0)	Rear tire life poll After owning my M3 for about two years at 22K miles, rear tire life is very surprising. Stock contis lasted about 12k miles. Current PSS with 6k feels squirmy and looks like it will only last to about 8K miles. This seems low for ultra high performance tires with only street driving. By comparison, my m coupe seems to get about 25 to 30k miles on rear tires and is driven the same way. What does everyone else get on rear tires and what type of driving? __________________ 2011 M3 Sedan 2001 M Coupe 2020 Macan Turbo 2018 GT3
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11-20-2013, 05:13 AM	#2
yoelev First Lieutenant 19 Rep 366 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: NYC iTrader: (0)	i voted, but i have no idea what your statement means. are you saying your e90 got double or more the tire life? and your e92 is in the 5-10k range? __________________
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11-20-2013, 10:32 AM	#4
Thik First Lieutenant 140 Rep 371 Posts Drives: 2010 Space Grey E92 M3 6spd Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Toronto iTrader: (0)	If you don't do burnouts then rear tires should last 30k miles at least. I have 13K on my PSS, driving spiritedly including one track day. Looks almost new with lots of tread. plan on driving on it for another 20K.
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11-20-2013, 12:45 PM	#6
Ezio Brigadier General 380 Rep 3,934 Posts Drives: 2023 Alfa Romeo, 2023 m240i Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: MI iTrader: (0)	my rears lasted 10k miles with factory rubber. i drive on the street like i am on the track often. although no burnouts
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11-20-2013, 01:10 PM	#9
M4Now! Captain 292 Rep 708 Posts Drives: MG / SO F83 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Texas iTrader: (0)	Can't vote until later (phone), but can report 13.9k on PSS, a bit less on PS2s. You can get a credit for the PSS mileage warranty. Cheers __________________ Bye bye E93 M3 - Hello F83 M4!
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11-20-2013, 01:23 PM	#12
Sandye90m3 Major 167 Rep 1,159 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Calgary, CA iTrader: (0)	On the 19's I was able to attain 12k miles on the rears. However, on 19's, this car was driven in a colder climate so I'm not to sure if that makes a difference. I would have that the tires would have lasted longer in a colder climate. My second set was on 18" and I was able to get 27k miles, however these were driven in the SoCal climate. Both sets were on PS2. Now that I think about it I'm not sure how I was able to get 27K from the rear, if the standard warranty form Michelin was 15K w/o rotating. I'm slightly confused... __________________ M3.E90 JZB *Coded.GTSDCT.BomizValved.TurnerTestPipes.ResDelete .EurochargedTune.AAFilter.HRER40s* Last edited by Sandye90m3; 11-20-2013 at 01:25 PM.. Reason: logic
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11-20-2013, 04:29 PM	#18
k-lo Second Lieutenant 37 Rep 278 Posts Drives: 2016 F83, 2012 Cayenne Turbo Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Las Vegas iTrader: (0)	I'm close to 27K right now on PSS. Pleasantly surprised. Still have at least 4K miles of life. I'm not brutal with my tires. No burnouts or hard launches. When I know I got good traction that's when I bury the gas pedal.
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11-20-2013, 04:46 PM	#19
Transfer Major General 5250 Rep 5,874 Posts Drives: Bronco Wildtrak, Tesla MYP Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Issaquah, WA iTrader: (1)	I'm on track for about 20k on my PSS aggressive DD with one track day. Not sure how someone could have tires to cords after 6k normal driving miles. That's whack.
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11-20-2013, 04:48 PM	#20
MattE92 Private First Class 16 Rep 137 Posts Drives: 2012 E92 M3 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: New York iTrader: (0)	this is a little pointless, the life of your tire has many variables i.e. brand of tire, road temp, how each person drive, and the millage being city or highway... i got 12k miles with my pirelli pzero's and i just installed toyo proxy 4plus i expect to double that if not more (G-d willing)...
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11-20-2013, 04:56 PM	#22
Edward Colonel 377 Rep 2,982 Posts Drives: 2013.9999 E92 Jerez ZCP Join Date: May 2010 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (2)	I have no idea because I've run 4190 on my stock contis so far. Haven't checked thread depth. on my 335is with P-Zero run flats I got 19,500. Really it should have been 17,000 because when replacing, not just cord, but metal shards and wire were coming out of the inside shoulders. By 29k miles when I replaced them with Michelin PSS, I had gone through two rear pairs of P-Zero run flats which are soft tires with poor treadwear rating. I have a super heavy foot. I bet the contis on my M3 last around that or less.
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