Top Gear Season 12: E90 M3 vs. IS-F!!!!!!

doba_s · 11-30-2008, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by godora

haha " You have to be an ASS to drive an AMG" anyone agree ?

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Originally Posted by bimmerj

what an idiot. You should drive one before you talk.

I like M3 better than C63 ...

the car is nice and fast but handles like a boat ...

lvwirelessguy · 11-30-2008, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by doba_s

I like M3 better than C63 ...

the car is nice and fast but handles like a boat ...

Another ignorant C63 comment

BMW335iOn18s · 11-30-2008, 11:10 PM

I love top gear, and i am a member of finalgear (great place). I have seen every season of top gear lol. Im nuts.

btw, for those who watch top gear on bbc america, bbc america broadcasts cut down versions of top gear. They are currently showing seasons 6/7/8 while the latest is 12. Anyone else go on finalgear?

Tattedtwice · 11-30-2008, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bimmerj

what an idiot. You should drive one before you talk.

Cue the indignation caused by someone not bowing down to the 'almighty' c.

Get over yourself. If you'd bought something that was good for something other than a drag race, maybe you wouldn't feel the need to defend it with name-calling.

M3WC · 11-30-2008, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by rldzhao

Yup. Some other noteable mentions:

The M3 is faster around the Top Gear track than...

997.1 C2S
Cayman S
M5
DB9

And a car it should be faster than. But it isn't.

1:25.2 – Audi RS4
1:25.3 – BMW M3 Saloon

If anyone is interested, all Top Gear powerlap times:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear_Test_Track

Aurora Bearialis · 12-01-2008, 12:02 AM

"And on that bombshell it's time to end the show..." - Jeremy Clarkson lol

rzm3 · 12-01-2008, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JetBlack5OC

And a car it should be faster than. But it isn't.

1:25.2 – Audi RS4
1:25.3 – BMW M3 Saloon

Did you read the citation? The time is not entirely accurate on Wiki. In Season 7 Ep. 2 Clarkson said:

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You know we put it around the track this morning, with the Stig driving it, OK, 1:25-point-something.

So, we don't know what the something is, hence Wiki is inaccurate.

amgthis · 12-01-2008, 12:21 AM

That episode was quite a laugh! Woohoo it finished!

M3WC · 12-01-2008, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by rldzhao

Did you read the citation? The time is not entirely accurate on Wiki. In Season 7 Ep. 2 Clarkson said:

So, we don't know what the something is, hence Wiki is inaccurate.

Yup, weird.

Looks like it did 1:25.----something. Just missing the tenths.

They should have done a new time for the RS4 and C63.

Mikewarlover · 12-01-2008, 12:35 AM

actually 1 25.3 for the M3 sedan is an awesome time since the version they had was the Manual one with DCT i would say its gonna be half a sec off that time. Probably even faster around the track if it was a coupe with cf roof

MIMINO · 12-01-2008, 12:40 AM

Can't wait to own M3 sedan

FStop7 · 12-01-2008, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by vonsazkin

can any one decipher that morse code Stiggie was listening to? i wonder what it was...

"TOO MANY GEARS"
"I LIKE MR SULU"

FStop7 · 12-01-2008, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JetBlack5OC

And a car it should be faster than. But it isn't.

1:25.2 – Audi RS4
1:25.3 – BMW M3 Saloon

If anyone is interested, all Top Gear powerlap times:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear_Test_Track

That RS4 time is made up, they never actually showed the lap and all Clarkson said is that it was "1:25 something". Besides, the M3 killed the RS4 when they tested it in Spain along with the C63.

itz16v · 12-01-2008, 01:00 AM

Nice vid, I was looking at the ISF before I bought my M3.

Robin_NL · 12-01-2008, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikewarlover

actually 1 25.3 for the M3 sedan is an awesome time since the version they had was the Manual one with DCT i would say its gonna be half a sec off that time. Probably even faster around the track if it was a coupe with cf roof

Saloon is a just a tiny bit faster, take a look at the Bestmotoring vid comparison on the Tsukuba track. DCT dunno, IF it works properly, that is...

Thanx for posting. Excellent work.

FStop7 · 12-01-2008, 01:25 AM

Yeah, about the E90's handling. EVO mag did their car of the year testing, and liked it better than the coupe. The author claims that they pressed BMW as to what was up and the engineers finally admitted that there were some small, late stage chassis tweaks done to the E90, presumably based on things they learned after the E92 was already finalized. Take that for what its worth. Chances are if there were any such changes they may have already been incorporated into the coupes at some point. BMW is pretty quiet about stuff like that.

kamek · 12-01-2008, 01:40 AM

great post, thanks

Blake · 12-01-2008, 03:54 AM

wow! just watched it...amazing!

imballin2day · 12-01-2008, 05:10 AM

didn't think the IS would keep up the way it did. Great video.

Gearhead999s · 12-01-2008, 07:04 AM

Those guys are way too funny!It is too bad that North American TV has to be so political correct.British Humour is so great!

footie · 12-01-2008, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JetBlack5OC

And a car it should be faster than. But it isn't.

1:25.2 – Audi RS4
1:25.3 – BMW M3 Saloon

If anyone is interested, all Top Gear powerlap times:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear_Test_Track

According to this link you provided the RS4 did it's lap in 1:25.7 not the 1:25.2 you stated, though neither are to be seen on the TOPGEAR website. I do recall Clarkson saying it will a lot quicker than the Cayman S which did 1:26.7 so maybe this time is correct.

Still a good time for a car which chassis dates back to 2003.

positiveions · 12-01-2008, 08:04 AM

I always believed that the E90 chassis is more aerodynamically correct. E36 4 door M3 had that characteristic, that is the reason BMW GT racing in IMSA switched from E36 2 door to 4 door. The car performed faster laps on the racetracks.

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FStop7 I like cars 329 Rep 5,052 Posts Drives: M6 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Newbury Park, CA iTrader: (3)	Yeah, about the E90's handling. EVO mag did their car of the year testing, and liked it better than the coupe. The author claims that they pressed BMW as to what was up and the engineers finally admitted that there were some small, late stage chassis tweaks done to the E90, presumably based on things they learned after the E92 was already finalized. Take that for what its worth. Chances are if there were any such changes they may have already been incorporated into the coupes at some point. BMW is pretty quiet about stuff like that.
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