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I'm not so convinced the GT500 would put that much distance on the GT (or, by extension, the M3). At the very least, the new Boss, especially the Leguna Seca, will be giving the GT500 a run for its money on a track, in my opinion.
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Just because AMERICANS want gas guzzling boats doesn't mean that's all a maker is good for. If we didn't buy them, they wouldn't make them. So whos fault is that? Why don't we have Civic Type R's or M3 GTS's\CSL's? I can't believe how I have to defend decent cars\makers sometimes on this forum.
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styling is refreshed interior(i think)/exterior 3 series interior is the same. i think they were talking about interior. |
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The previous poster's comment about the Mustang not being exclusive is so true. Look, I like the Mustang, but unless you really look, you're not going to tell the difference on the 5.0 to the v6 version unless you look hard. No matter what folks say about the M3 looking like a 3 series, people who are looking do know the M3 is special, and different from the regular 3. Same thing when people saw a RS4, and notice there was something more menacing about it compared to a standard a4 car.
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The Mustang got refreshed in MY 2010, yes.
In any case, the point is, both platforms are old. The Mustang platform arrived in late 2004 (as a MY2005), while the E9x arrived in early 2005 (as a MY2006). That said, obviously the M3 was developed long before the new 5.0L GT and Boss 302. |
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I really think you need to brush up on your reading/writing comprehensive skills, cause you seem to not understand what you read nor completely convey what you write. Sorry for the insult but you seem a bit off.
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Ive sat in the new Mustang and I certainly dont think the M3 is overpriced in comparison. Just sit in a Mustang and feel around. Everything looks and feels cheaper. It doesnt take long to realize why your paying more for an M3. So maybe it matches the M3 in the performance categories, but you can't really compare the two in an apples to apples format and say the M3 is overpriced. How many people would trade their M3 for a Mustang and 20K right now after this article?
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It might very well be true that, generally speaking, people do not cross-shop luxury branded vehicles with non-luxury branded vehicles. In fact, I would say that's probably a fact. However, performance models present an interesting exception. When it comes to those of us who rank pure performance high on the list of shopping criteria, I would say that cross-shopping between luxury and non-luxury brands is much more common-place. Don't get me wrong, I know that many of us enthusiasts still like to be pampered too. But when push comes to shove I think the majority of us will give up some luxury for better performance. It's not uncommon for the Z06 to come up in discussion around here, for example. Clearly that's not a luxury car, but it does deliver very compelling performance for the money. Sure, it might carry a very luxury-sized price tag. But it is not a luxury car by any stretch. The new Mustang GT presents any interesting case. M3 performance for the price of a 328i. On a 40k budget, I'd wager that less than a quarter of M3 owners would genuinely find the 328i more appealing than the Mustang GT. Perhaps more than that would end up with the BMW for other reasons (simple brand preference or "snobbery" among them), but I'll bet that at least half of us, given a 40k budget, will actually go test drive the GT and probably a lot of us would take it home. Granted those numbers are SWAGs, but I doubt I am far off here. Going forward, people looking for a high performance coupe with a 400hp+ V8 will have to give the Mustang a second look. And lets be honest, after 2013, the M3 won't even satisfy that criteria anymore. |
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No, I never saw people put actual M parts on their cars, except on this forum in the gallery section - which seems like an aberration, not very common. As for your reading/writing comprehension skills, just trying to give you some friendly advice, for whatever its worth. But keep on going, you seem to be doing just fine...
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anyone who said the m3 and regular 3 series look the same is either ignorant or need to get their eyes check asap. they may not know the different model name such as m3, 335i, etc....but they sure as hell know which one look better even if they don't know cars. the changes are subtle, but very noticeable at the same time. the hood bulge with air intake vents on the each side, side vents, quad exausts, aggresive front pumber, carbon roof, v8 sounds, etc Last edited by graider; 08-24-2010 at 09:51 AM.. |
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I am a good example of someone who cross shops performance oriented vehicles. I am looking at the M3, the new 550 (with big tuning potential) and the mustang--as we speak. (plus-look at my garage) Do I think for a second that the new stang is the same level car as an M3? Hell no. But will I consider it? Hell yes. Great performance in both the twisties and a straight line. And ford announced over the weekend that you can add a factory supercharger at the dealership to get 525 HP with warranty, or, 624 HP without. that is a compelling case. As previously stated--one potential downside is lack of exclusivity--which does weigh in for me. On the other hand, each mustang will be highly customized and can be made very unique via mods, paint, stripes, body moldings and wheels. a 525 hp stang that can run neck and neck on a track with an M3, and neck and neck in a straightline with a CTS-V, that is compelling to many, including me. Again--do I think it would be the "total package" car that the M3 is--no. But if it feels connected to the road at 75-80% of how my BMW or an M3 might, for that proce, I just might do it.
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You know what it is amusing?
How easily threads like this one can reveal whom among us are driving enthusiasts and whom are BMW brand cheerleaders caught up in status and show. It would take a bona fide moron to choose the Mustang over the M3, the M3 is the superior car (I have driven both...more than a couple of times). That's not the point. What's the point, and truly what irks me, is that we're comparing a M3 with a garden variety American pony car. BMW came to the table with an engine that is a joy to drive at 9/10ths but simply does not have the low-end grunt or fuel efficiency of its competitors. Surely, some of this has to do with the M3's weight. But look at the fuel economy of the similarly heavy Mustang: 16/24. Oh, it can also run on 87 octane for car trips. Simply put, the S650 is just not as good as an engine as the 5.0. It makes less power, substantially less torque, can run on cheaper fuel, gets better gas mileage, and most likely will prove to easier to repair. Is it as free-revving and enjoyable as the S650? Not quite...but I'd say it's 8/10ths of the way there. It's too bad I couldn't buy a Mustang. They're just simply hideous, IMHO. |
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I agree with most of what you guys are saying, but lets not discount the Mustang GT changes (never mind the Boss and GT500) vs. the base model either. Are they as distinct as an M3 vs. a 3 series? No. But there are differences in fascias, wheels, and other body elements. Bottom line is that most of what you say below applies to the Mustang case as well. People will notice the differences, even if they don't know which as which, and will prefer the looks of the GT. There is no hood vents, exhaust tips, or wider fenders to set them apart, no, but the engine note is still a dead give away in this case just like with the M3.
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the numbers will be around 5k a year just like the GT500, with a build schedule of only 2 years(big rumor is they are doing 69 colors, for 2012 and 70 colors for 2013) Ford said the boss will fill the void in between the GT and GT500 i expect a prise of 38k to 45k(excluding the LS) |
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In summary... You're a pretender. You don't deserve the car you drive because you own it for the wrong reasons; to impress people and to make you feel like a more substantial person than you are. That said, I do think the M3 is clearly the superior car for absolutely none of the reasons you give. |
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No idea what you just said, sorry.
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