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KILL Lexus IS-F and AMG C63 and keep the segment to themselves | 39 | 25.32% | |
BMW 335i was such a good car, the M3 couldn't command a bigger premium | 18 | 11.69% | |
US Economy slowing down in 2008 | 27 | 17.53% | |
To hit the unit goal of 100,000 units, need to price the car to hit these volumes | 70 | 45.45% | |
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01-16-2008, 08:04 PM | #67 | |
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Both V8's have variable valve timing on both intake and exhaust cams. Both have multi-stage intake systems. Here is some engine info: The 2008 Lexus IS F is exclusively powered by a performance-tuned 5.0-liter V8 engine producing 416 horsepower at 6,600 rpm and 371 lb.-ft. of peak torque at 5,200 rpm. With the implementation of a dual air intake system, high-flow cylinder heads with titanium intake valves designed by Yamaha, Variable Valve Timing with intelligence and Electrically controlled intake cam (VVT-iE) and other technological advancements, the engine outputs 83.2 hp per liter allowing the IS F to accelerate from 0 to 60 in a blistering 4.6 seconds and achieve a maximum track speed of 170 mph. The whole displacement argument has always been dumb to me. You build an entire car, not just the engine. Maybe Lexus wanted to go the route of more displacement to achieve more torque? They were getting a 100HP a liter 10 years ago. I don't think they would have a problem doing it now. |
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OK, I am happy you see the world with BMW on top. If you wish to carry on by PM on why the ISF is weak, I would be happy to.....but I am not sure if there is a need because I think I have proved my point and because:
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LOL!^^^^ NO! You have not proven anything except the fact that you only know how to troll. You obviously don't have the inteligence to have a serious discussion, but you're very good at saying that "Lexus sucks". But if that's what floats your boat, then so be it.
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There is a difference between intentionally making fun of a marque and not getting data. I have proven the ISF V8 is heavier than the IS350 V6. We know the S65 V8 delivers more power at a lower weight than the outgoing S54 I6 (which was a hot engine in its day). I hope you have the capacity to understand this. Have fun with your Lexus cars, don't fall asleep driving sport
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Since the only thing we have is the car weight of the ISF, which is heavy BTW, you need to look at other bits of data to calculate the relative weight of the ISF engine. Sit down for a sec to see if you can absorb this logic.....
Have fun in your souped up Camry I would be happy to school you in boolean logic by PM. Feel free to continue this thread on M3 pricing by discussing ISF boat anchors.
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How did you know? I designed the ISF, drunk.
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01-17-2008, 07:13 AM | #76 | |
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I'm just going to repost my response to you Tbone.
Riiiight. And we where discussing the weight of the ISF engine vs IS350 engine. I thought we where discussing how you think that the ISF's engine is weak, not advance, and non-stellar. And you still have not proven that. Do you have the capacity to understand this or you just like to change the subject because you don't really have any answers. C'mon Tbone, keep up with me here.
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You really want an internet victory don't you. I wouldn't dream of asking the admins for help. Fact is ISF has a boat anchor for an engine. Just accept it and life will be better for you and you can take pride in driving your RWD Camry.
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Maybe one day you will get a concession from me.... Maybe one day that I will say that the ISF is a great car...... But not today. Don't you have to go shopping for a wing for your rice rocket?
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Here is the ISF concept car that didn't make it into production. It is disguised as a Nissan..... But don't let that fool you. TRD is coming out with a fresh new set of decals and stickers which will be good for 5hp+ per decal / sticker.
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Does this sound like any BMW we might know, oh yeah...........the M6 and it's weight balance is even worse than the IS-F so in theory T-Bone you should love this car because it's handling characteristics are spot on to what you are use to.
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Ah our resident Audi expert.... Just some data for you. The M6 has a 54 / 46 static weight distribution like the ISF. I have no issues with the M6 being described as boat anchor (A boat anchor that out accelerates Gallardos BTW). But the real news is the RS4 weight distribution of 58 F / 42 R. http://autos.yahoo.com/audi_rs4_sedan-specs/?p=ext I have an early concept drawing of the RS4 for you.... Oddly enough the concept vehicle and production car were made of the same material, pig-iron.
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Wow! Posting pics now Tbone, you're seriously desperate. Actually Tbone, i own you. Because you still keep trolling every time i command you to. Go ahead Tbone, be a good boy and keep trolling.
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01-17-2008, 12:40 PM | #85 | |
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I realize that delusion is a symptom of many Lexus owners so clearly I don't blame you for it. Lexus owners often believe they have better cars that say BMW. Let's just say that BMW owns Lexus and you are my pet rock. When you get a real car, you will be elevated to the status of my pet dog.
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01-17-2008, 01:11 PM | #87 |
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You've failed to realize that i will not stoop down to your level and start bashing BMW. Because i do like BMW's and planning to own one in the future. Unlike you, who just like to bash other brands for no reason other than to bash. It's people like you that give's BMW owners a bad reputation. But if that's what makes you happy, then so be it. You are a perfect example of a bad fanboy and a badge whore. BTW, be a good boy and keep trolling.
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Wait a second, i can't believe you just dissed the RS4. The car that set the new standards on that segment. You are unbelievable, but i should'nt be surprised. Let's just wait and see when the new RS4 comes out and smoke all of the competition. Keep trolling Tbone, listen to your master.
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