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09-08-2008, 04:27 PM | #45 |
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Impressive. I will be really interested to hear about how this changes the M3's character / driveability (if any).
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This is really very cool! I'd love to see some detailed photos of the engine build as it progresses.
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Obviously, once you put your name on an RS46, this information may be disclosed, if you wish. Some specifics, though, are not for the public nor the press. We don't want to be arrogant, nor difficult, but when I built the 1st R35 motor on the old S52 US motor, one of my subcontractors publicized the availability of the engine before he even supplied us with the components he was paid for. I can think of at least 3 outfits within a 50 mile radius from us that would use this information to their advantage, so the discretion and secrecy is to protect us from the rapacious. I hope you all understand. |
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Once others find out the specs they will do it for less. I understand your position, I would do the same. |
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Actual translation: Why spend the money on R&D so that other people can benefit for free? How many companies give away their trade secrets to the competition? It's not as simple as getting specs and finding some backyard hacks to make parts to build a motor. If money is a concern, don't rebuild your motor.
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Is there anything you can say--without going into specs--why your conversion might be superior to the Dinan M3 stroker kit that is under development, which is supposed to be mechanically the same conversion as the M5/M6 stroker conversion minus a couple of cylinders?
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Did you miss where I said if I were them I would do the same thing? You are truly naive if you think someone will not put a competing kit on the market that may be superior for less money later on. |
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The E39 M5 was out for a much longer time than the E46 M3, which car had the larger aftermarket? Hell, how about vs. the E36 M3? The M3's ALWAYS have more parts, superchargers, strokers, forced induction, you name it. Larger market that wants to tune, you should be able to figure that out. Some unheard of company? I bet BHS will have something, maybe evosport, maybe turner, there are plenty of other tuners out there who have done engine work and are on Dinan's level of expertise if not higher. |
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As far as disclosing information indiscriminately in the hopes that the general public "will eventually see the light", we just have to agree to disagree on this subject. |
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We welcome any and all competition, providing we all agree to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges. Ultimately, it all comes down to bang-for-the-buck, and this is a parameter that we always consider at RDSport. |
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There is a parameter (the only one you haven't mentioned) which is proprietary to Mahle, and that is the coating of the S85/S65 piston. Without that, close but no cigar!
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"Translation: we want to keep the profits for ourselves," is extremely negative and quite frankly so redundant and stupid I cannot believe I'm writing this message as it clearly isn't worth getting into any sort of a discussion with you. The M3 may have a larger tuning market but that does not necessarily correlate into quality aftermarket products. That is a completely off topic discussion that has no place in this thread. Later down the line feel free to write about the tuning kits you purchase from one of the companies you've mentioned, unfortunately I haven't heard of them. |
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