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Here's what I think of the IS-F interior (wink-wink):
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Everybody who does any even moderately intensive sampling of these two cars comes up with the same perception. The RS4 just flat feels more torquey than the M3 at low to middling rpm (and low to middling throttle, by the way). I also personally don't remember any soft spot at all in the RS4's torque band. Near as I can tell, the M3 is faster than the RS4 from any speed to any other speed in a drag race (except off the line). So what. Either way so what. The RS4 just feels torquey compared to the M3 when just driving around - regardless of throttle mapping. Bruce |
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There are a number of factors that go into the perception of speed, only one of which is the sensitivity of our g-receptors. This issue has come up several times, including the M3 vs 335 massive debate. Yup. The M3 is faster than the 335 as well, but the 335 just feels more effortless in the way it gathers speed while just driving around - as does the RS4. Bruce |
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04-26-2008, 10:02 PM | #94 |
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My CA tells me my order for the M3 went in on Thursday. Waiting for order status update.
f yeah.
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I guess you didnt go for your ISF too huh?
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In my book, ultimately, if one is to ponder the need to implement the type of "fix" you suggested earlier for this "percieved" "soft spot" problem, one would better make sure the perceived problem is indeed a fact, or otherwise one would be modding to please one's mistaken senses only, and nothing else, which might be just fine. As an example: I am glad pilots don't trust their senses too much and refer to the instruments to assess performance variables. Otherwise, 1 out 1000 flights in bad weather would mosy likely result in a crash.
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And the part about you and your butt being better than a real acceleromter - get over yourself, you can't truly believe that. Maybe the F1 guys should drop their telemetry programs entirely. |
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On the other hand, for me how a car feels is just as important as the stats it generates. Quote:
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04-27-2008, 06:45 PM | #101 |
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OK, Bruce, I think after several months of consideration we are agreeing on various things here. I guess we can put the chainsaws back in the garage.
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Everybody who has driven the car comments in one way or another about how the second half of the pedal and second half of the rev range are the good halves. What is so hard to understand about another car (the RS4, for instance) that may have slightly better first halves, and slightly worse second halves? Quote:
Other than the awkward wording, what I was trying to convey was that an accelerometer is of no use in determining part-throttle "feel". One car may answer the throttle better than another in a particular rpm range, with either more acceleration or a more linear feel, or both. Full throttle g readings are simply beside the point - except in a drag race, of course. Bruce |
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I didn't beat up on anybody re: part throttle. You are still missing my point. I don't give a damn about part throttle. If you go back to that thread and read what I wrote carefully, you'll see that I am talking about available torque at a given rpm. I don't care how you get to the available torque as long as it is available. The rest is irrelevant to me, and I've made that clear a million times now Bruce. In case you didn't notice, a myriad of others actually agreed/agree with this point. Engine response is a different issue than throttle mapping by the way.
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I don't exaggerate with the "lit into them" comment. You in fact were kind enough to apologize later on in the string. Bruce |
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You and some others weren't exactly kind on that thread either if you remember when it comes up "lighting into" a post. That happens in a heated debate, and is OK as long as people recognize they might have been harsh and take action to correct it, which you also did. I guess we are pulling off a here by the way...Sorry Hans.
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04-27-2008, 07:19 PM | #106 |
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No........... I'm impatient, but not stupid!
The IS-F is great, I just wouldn't be happy with it. I will still test the C63 but I did sit in one and look it over last week. There is a LOT of plastic in that car. Looks like some serious cost-cutting on MB's part for the new C Class. Pretty disappointing. Hopefully MB spent the money where it counts -- engine and drivetrain! The M3 just has the competition beat in terms of cutting-edge technology. The engine, the M-DKG, the EDC.... it's a geek's dreamcar! (not that I'm smart enough to be a true geek)
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04-27-2008, 07:29 PM | #107 |
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Thanks guys! Looks like I'm not going to hold out for an '09 though. "I want it noooooow!" So an '08 it will be.
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I agree with most of this earlier post but you did not make that at all clear just prior. Also you are still wrong about accelerometers they are great for a tiny bit of acceleration, a lot of accleration, rapid jerk (i.e. changing acceleration), acceleration at any throttle setting, period. If you have some very abstract definition of part throttle "feel" that has nothing do do with acceleration then I agree a butt or even an opinion will do because you are not being precise and clear as to the metric. I agree with you that the sensation of acceleration is very important but to me not nearly as important as the actual acceleration. Either way where there is any significant margin of difference your butt will probably pick that up and if one is reasonably astute and able to separate other psychological acceleration cues from the true acceleration you really won't need an accelerometer.
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I hear you. Mine's on a truck somewhere between NJ and Boston. I paid for it today (in MA you have to pay before you pick it up unless you bring a certified check as it gets registered and comes with plates) so the anticipation, which was bad enough, is now at its peak. Unfortunately I won't be able to pick it up until Sat. It's going to rain for a couple of days so this is probably for the best.
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No way! Saturday!! It is strange how each step of the process changes how I feel about waiting. Since I learned that my order had been submitted, it's like I have M3 on the brain constantly. Not too different from falling in love..... hehe damn dopamine....
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