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01-10-2011, 02:51 PM | #1 |
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M3's closest Porsche...?
I've also noticed that out of all of the BMW's competitors, Porsche is one of the most highly regarded brands on this forum. As a result, I've begun some research on Porsche as a future purchase.
After spending quite a bit of time on Porsche's website, I find myself a bit dizzy from all of the combinations and permutations available. Rear wheel drive, all wheel drive, turbo, non-turbo... I don't know where to start. Would someone please recommend which Porsche model is most equivalent to the E9X M3 in performance? Your recommendation can give me a starting point for which to focus. Any recommendations on the next natural step up from the M3 would also be appreciated.
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0-60, similar top speed, probably the vanilla carrera (911 997) is closest.
Lap time wise, depending on which track, the M3 can be quicker than the carrera S. -scheherazade |
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01-10-2011, 03:04 PM | #5 |
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Agree with the above. I'd think a 2009 or greater Carrera S (C2S) would be a logical and meaningful move upwards. You get so much more than just a bigger engine with the S over the base Carrera.
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That leaves the Carrera, Carrera S, and the Carrera GTS left on the table in the 110K and down price range. I probably wouldn't seriously consider a Cayman as I do want some luxury and PDK. PDK puts the GT3 out of the running for me.
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01-10-2011, 03:39 PM | #8 |
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C4(S)s add weight and money and give you more of a well planted cornering feel. Of course you get the wider a$$ too.
C2S or GTS would be my pick below a GT3. GTS really, wide body, X51, etc... Once you choose, you'll be driving yourself crazy picking options! |
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Since you're considering going from a sports sedan to a more focused sports car, I'm not sure there is a natural progression, depends on your goals and personal taste. I've owned a 997S, Cayman S, and 996 GT3, and all were great cars in their own way. The Cayman, similar to the M3, is forgiving, and can make a mediocre driver look good. The 911 platform cars require some attention to driving style, but are not as difficult to learn as some would suggest. Personally, I found the cost of options and service, combined with the elitism of too many owners, rendered the Porsche experience a bit disappointing. But, they are very good cars, no argument there.
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01-10-2011, 06:32 PM | #10 |
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If you're considering used and change your mind about PDK, I'd consider a 997.1 S over a newer base 997. They can be had for rather "cheap." Also some great deals on used GT3s out there.
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01-10-2011, 07:15 PM | #11 |
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I'd strongly consider a base .2 Carrera over a .1 Carrera S. Yes you will pay more but the .2 is argueably a better car; certainly in some ways. The 9A1 engine in the .2 is quite an advancement over the .1. Some of the .1's had IMS issues. The .2's no longer have an IMS and the engines weigh about 13 lbs less with far less moving parts. Power band is improved and they pump out nearly the same HP with better fuel economy as well.
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01-13-2011, 10:19 AM | #12 |
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One cool thing about the turbo, that not many knows about is that you can make it rwd by lifting the hand brake a little, it is like a litte step where you put it and whola
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It actually turned me off to buying a Porsche twice.
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01-13-2011, 10:56 AM | #14 |
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If the question is still which Porsche would provide similar performance to the e9X M3, check out these lap times around VIR posted by Car and Driver. It looks like the M3, Carrera S and the Cayman S are within just a few tenths of each other. Pretty definitive info. Neither of the M3's reported here had ZCP comp package. ZCP would arguably shave some time off the lap.
29 3:04.2 CADILLAC CTS-V COUPE LL3 2/11 30 3:04.5 LOTUS EXIGE S LL3 8/07 31 3:05.4 BMW M3 COUPE LL2 2/10 32 3:05.4 LEXUS IS F LL2 2/11 33 3:05.6 BMW M3 COUPE LL2 11/08 34 3:05.6 PORSCHE 911 CARRERA S LL3 2/10 35 3:05.8 PORSCHE CAYMAN S LL3 2/10 Last edited by R A W L S; 01-13-2011 at 11:11 AM.. |
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Second, if you're to make the assumption that a better driver would improve the Carrera S drivers time, then let's make the assumption that with a better driver and a ZCP package in the M3 it would get around the track faster too - again showing these cars are in the exact same ranges of performance and time capabilities. |
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Based on the times presented, and some speculation as to driver abilities and differing options, the M3's performance appears to sit between that of the Carrera S and Caymen S, with a leaning toward the Caymen S. |
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