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11-23-2012, 11:15 PM | #23 |
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certainly agree with you, just using 8k as a worst case scenario (i actually have no idea what I generally match to, but i do know that the car won't hesitate to break traction if you don't get the revs high enough)
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So I went out this morning and practiced for about an hour. I tried the above methods and it seemed to really help. Basically I had to bring my foot up a bit in order to really break with the ball of my foot just below the digits and with a slight bit of rotation at the ankle joint I was able to maneuver my heal with enough control to hit the throttle. However I did have to practice the technique for about 30 mins before I somewhat got the hang of it. I eventually tried it a few times with the car moving at about 15-20 mph on an isolated back road and was pretty stoked about it. I will need to practice it much more before I can muster up the cohones and do it in a more "difficult" environment. I plan on learning how to track my car by taking it out to limerock park next season. Thanks for all the very insightful and very helpful comments everyone. Joe
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Glad to hear you simplified your approach and are on your way!
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11-25-2012, 01:46 PM | #26 |
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I watched videos on it as well and tried it last night. Gotta say I need more practice.....and more flexibility
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What I found to help when I learned was to think about rolling my ankle starting at the knee. So I'd brake with my knees close together, then push my right knee to the right when I wanted to blip the throttle. For whatever reason, that was much easier for me than simply "rolling my foot over."
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Heal-Toe. LOL.
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Good luck OP! I hope you master it one day. I've tried it and still trying to figure out how to heel-toe properly. But since I have no reference point of what a "perfect" heel-toe is, it's damn hard to know if I'm getting it right or just messing up the car. Oh, on a couple of occasions, I had my foot on both the break and the throttle while sitting at a red light. I was like, "what the hell is that noise?". People next to me must think I want to race them or something.
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LOL... I didnt even realize that. All I can say is im better with numbers then with words
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This has been a truly helpful thread. Thanks!
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I find heel-toeing on the street is much more difficult. You don't have the brake pedal depressed as far or as hard on the street so you have to reach for the throttle. On the track, the brake pedal is buried in the carpet, it's much easier.
I'd just practice blipping the throttle and downshifting (no brake) since that is the most complicated part. Get that down and then start adding the heel toe part.
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On track I think you'll find it much easier, because you'll be braking harder and bliping the throttle to get higher revs. Once you get the hang of it, you'll find yourself doing it everywhere. It's another dimension of fun.
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It's kind of like snow skiing. If you want to learn how to ski on steeper, faster slopes, you just have to do it on steeper faster slopes. You may theoretically know the technique you need to work on, but you just can't do it on a shallow slope because you scrub off your speed so quick that what you are trying to do is no longer relevant or realistic. I didn't really get it until I spent two days at the M driving school in SC, where I got to do it over and over at speed. After that and a couple of years of track days, I got relatively good at it, (for an amateur). Feels pretty good when you hit it right and put it all together. Then, 4 years ago, I found a nice little trick... DCT.
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Fwiw, the motor can be completely off when you practice this. No need to tax that sweet piece of equipment while you get the motions right.
Have fun! It's awesome when you finally start nailing it.
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Hey...at least we can read your words...if you wrote them by hand ...not a chance.
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I've been trying to learn on the street also. I plan to track soon (first time ever) and I want to be able to do it. I find that the pedal being hinged at the floor makes it difficult. I also end up mashing the brakes to get a good blip. I think I am just going to have to practice in the garage and learn to do it on the track. I can downshift without breaking pretty well though!
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The best scenario to practice on the street is when you are making a right turn on a green light. When there's no cars or people around, just brake later and harder than you normally would and rev match before the turn. I do it all the time at certain lights that I turn on daily. Keeps me in practice while I'm not at the track.
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I have one thing to add. Because the throttle pedal is hinged on the floor it is much easier to "heel-toe" when your heel is on the floor.
Up until this car, I only had manual transmissions in Japanese cars (MR2, Miata,...) which hinge their throttle pedals from the top. So, I was used to having my heel off of the floor when heel-toeing and had no problem this way. In fact, this was more "left-side, right-side" rather than real "heel-toe". I had an E46 M3 but that was with the SMG transmission so no heel-toe there. But with the E92 M3 I have a manual and was really struggling to make heel-toe work until I figured out that you really need to keep your heel on the floor at the base of the throttle pedal. To brake, pivot your right foot over to the brake using your heel as the pivot. You can still leave a big hunk of the outside part of your right foot on the throttle pedal to operate the throttle as you're braking with the ball of your foot. I hope this helps. Cheers.
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