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05-21-2010, 08:08 AM | #1 |
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ZCP vs DIY
I'm ordering a new car.
Should I get the ZCP package or just do it myself? I can order the rims from turner motorsport and then get the tires that I want for about $2000 + $1200 = $3200 total. I can then sell my stock tires and rims for $1000? $1500? Who has the best price for ZCP rims? What are the stock 18"s + tires worth? I don't think that lowering the car 1cm matters to me. |
05-21-2010, 08:16 AM | #3 |
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There's EDC programming. I'm not getting EDC.
Then there is 1cm lower. Is there anything else? Frank |
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05-21-2010, 09:14 AM | #4 | |
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If you are not getting EDC, then you are not getting ZCP. The two cannot be decoupled.
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05-21-2010, 09:28 AM | #5 |
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Just get aftermarket ECU programming. I didn't think the 10mm drop and non-forged wheels were worth 2,500 extra.
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the wheels are forged, just a different alloy. it is not mentioned what the difference is from literature i have seen.
my edition has different interior/leather/trim as well so it's not just springs/wheels. if that's all the zcp is, then diy...get coilovers anyways and some nice aftermarket rims and you're better off than oem. |
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i guess you guys don't get the forged rims with zcp, just the "edition" models get the special goodies
"Special rim design and lowered suspension. To optimise the looks of the car, all four Edition Models come with specially designed light-alloy rims and a unique suspension: On all models the 19-inch forged M light-alloy rims in double-spoke design are available either in black or in the classic rim colour. And on the Alpine White, Black and Monte Carlo Blue models, the same rims are also available in a special white contrasting colour with polished spokes." http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=267581 |
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That's because the Edition wheels are just the same wheel as the standard 19", except they are painted black. So they are of course forged, just like the 19" stardard wheel is. The ZCP wheels on the other hand are a completely different wheel altogether.
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ZCP does not require ZTP => non-ZTP cars do not have MDM DSC mode => cars without MDM mode only have DSC OFF and DSC ON => You can't get more "off" than OFF From what I know (don't quote me) the E46 ZCP actually added a third DSC mode (activated by the M Button on the steering wheel, IIRC). For the E9x, that evolved into the MDrive MDM DSC mode, optional on all E9x, ZCP or not. Last edited by mkoesel; 05-21-2010 at 05:32 PM.. Reason: Forgot a "non" in there |
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05-21-2010, 01:29 PM | #14 |
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same here... that was a HUGE factor in turning the package down. Why am I paying $2500 for an ECU change, non-forged wheels and a 10mm drop?
I'd rather get the forged wheels and drop $ on suspension aftermarket which is probably better. I'm not buying that EDU change, seriously is it really going to make THAT much a difference? I think not.
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Im all for the ZCP because its much more than just a drop and forged rims. I read up on how the new programming is different than the non ZCP.
to sum it up, in the ZCP the computer continuously regulates the various thresholds depending on the current situation, vs non ZCP the three modes would have fixed thresholds. You can basically say that with the ZCP the car is much smarter, and the technology has been perfected where the conditions are regulated by how much input the driver displays and the constantly changing external factors that would affect handling. So yes, while it may be rims, and a drop, you have to remember the car is much more intelligent. This also influences my choice on transmission, because if i do choose the ZCP i will also get the DCT. These two upgrades dramatically alters the level of technological systems on board vs a manual m3 without ZCP. decisions decisions... I still want that manual though... to have the pleasure of rowing through gears.... that NYC traffic scares me. edit: not to mention the price of the ZCP include the complete suspension system, not just the software. You dont get charged twice for EDC and ZCP. So the 2500 is really lowered ride height + super awesome suspension setup + significantly more intellgent electronic control systems + forged Y spoke OEM rims which include M mobility so free change of tires, no matter what from bmw. Thats comforting stuff.
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I do agree with you that the price is really not too bad. I believe EDC standalone is $1000 and the 19" wheels are $1200 (here in the US). So basically it's $300 for a lower suspension and wider wheels (that can handle wider rubber - or handle it more easily, anyway). Of course the forged vs. cast is still a tradeoff though. |
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I may be wrong, but I think the E46 CSL/ZCPs weren't forged either, and were also heavier than their 19" counterparts. This is a case of history repeating itself.
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Here you go:
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You're correct. The e46 ZCP package wheels were spun cast. 19's were forged.
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