GM's competition against the New E92 M3--? THE G8

Takumi587 · 07-24-2008, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Voltigeur

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I agree that too many pooh pooh 'lower', less technically complex cars, w/out 'The Badge'.

Mind you, I don't view the M3 and G8 as strict comparables (2dr, 'vert etc). The G8 is a competently executed sports sedan w/out too many bells & whistles (may be the easier long-run ownership proposition - simpler to fix!) that gives great bang for the buck. And it's RWD, so it's got the right feel. Good on GM management for having the foresight to leverage the Aussies' long commitment to fast, V8 sedans that handle well

For those of us who can afford the +$30K premium for a M3: fortunate us.

But for a family guy with a stretched budget, or for someone who is more rational about how much they're willing to drop on a vehicular conveyance then, hey, the G8's a decent option. Take it over a Camry!!

Check out TG on the M5 vs the VXR8 (the UK version, w/ some more HSV bits):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn7Z-iLa8h0

I have to agree with you that it is a great option if the M3 is out of the price range. It doesn't have as much luxuries but a great alternative nonetheless. ANd i thank you for providing a great response and not saying "just a pontiac" like all the rest.

ihyln · 07-24-2008, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Takumi587

First off I am not saying that everyone here is bias for the M3. I just do not like some of the remarks I have been reading here on the forum. How everyone just feels anything that is not M is crap and that other opinions are out of the question. You are the perfect example of a forum member justifying about how marvelous and incomparable an M3 can be from a pontiac. WEll FIRST OFF i know this is an M3 forum DUH. ANd i did post this in the M3 VS thread.

And have you test driven the G8 researched it? Read up on it? anything? What I am saying is leave room for exceptions and be open minded about other car manufacturers. I mean some people here have even bad mouthed the new Hyundai sedan that many are comparing it to the 7series and S class.

Why am i arguing for you to give another auto maker a chance.. I have no idea why... Maybe because i just don't like closed minded people. Just like those who say "id still take the M3 than the GTR b/c it is more for public roads." ANYWAYS i know it all about opinion for what car you like but i am saying before you put down a car b/c of their badge go test drive it or research anything and give an honest, experienced opinion!!!

Are you some mole from GM trying to drum up business? Sure the engineering might be great in the Cadillac or the Vette but I don't buy a car based on engineering alone. I need the whole package and that's why you get what you pay for with those cars, lack of fit & finish, and reliability. I wanted a fast luxury sedan, the companies I look is at are BMW, Merc, Audi, even Lexus so it's not my fault that GM made itself irrelevant that you get upset when people don't consider.

Takumi587 · 07-24-2008, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ihyln

Are you some mole from GM trying to drum up business? Sure the engineering might be great in the Cadillac or the Vette but I don't buy a car based on engineering alone. I need the whole package and that's why you get what you pay for with those cars, lack of fit & finish, and reliability. I wanted a fast luxury sedan, the companies I look is at are BMW, Merc, Audi, even Lexus so it's not my fault that GM made itself irrelevant that you get upset when people don't consider.

Geez no I am not a mole from GM trying to drum up business. And again I am not trying to put down BMWs or anything! Just asking you to atleast consider the possibility that the G8 can be competition!!!!! NOT TO BUY!!!! Maybe I am a little too incoherent but I am just saying the G8 could be competition for the M3 and for people to consider it.

I did not ask you what kind of car you wanted or what companies that you looked at but since you mentioned it...Well just because those are known as the high end luxuries in America you think they are the best ones? You must buy the most expensive camera, watch, etc etc. Just because something is more expensive than the other doesn't mean it is the best. but thats still not my point... my point was just to say consider the G8 as competition not to purchase.

ihyln · 07-24-2008, 09:12 PM

I buy what fits my budget, my performance expectations, and luxury amenities, for the record I only buy Canon SDs or DSLRs, even though a camera is hardly a fair comparison to a car.

The reason why they are on my short list of luxury high performance cars is simple, they are good at it, GM is not. If I wasn't in the market for luxury Pontiac might make that list but as a GM it would but my last pick. Like my mom always said, we aren't rich enough to buy crap.

M3WC · 07-24-2008, 10:36 PM

This car isn't for badge whores.

sayemthree · 07-25-2008, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ihyln

I buy what fits my budget....

exactly - most people do. and if your budget can afford an M3 you arent even looking near a Pontiac. but if you can only afford 30k then maybe you will ....thats why I say they are not in competition with each other.

Southern · 07-25-2008, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ihyln

Yes, quite pompous. Magazines even say this so I guess they are pompous too. Either way I'm flattered you registered just to say that.

Show me a magazine article with journalism/language poor enough to label this "a poor man's M3"...

My neighbor's net worth is a little more than mine, and he drives a Toyota Camry....

Sovereignty · 07-25-2008, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ///Mantis

u, haters, are all over the place lol

CTS is a Cadillac, ZR1 is a chevy, VIPER

is a dodge.... so..... what's ur point??? appreciate the engineering effort for what it is, stop looking at badges

+1

Sedan_Clan · 07-25-2008, 12:46 PM

Hmmm, if I wanted one of these, I could get one at a stellar deal (..due to friends/relatives working at a GM plant). Yippee!

ihyln · 07-25-2008, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Southern

Show me a magazine article with journalism/language poor enough to label this "a poor man's M3"...

My neighbor's net worth is a little more than mine, and he drives a Toyota Camry....

The phrase "poor man's x" is used in many auto mags, there's nothing wrong with it. So adjust your panties and move on.

addy85 · 07-26-2008, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ihyln

The phrase "poor man's x" is used in many auto mags, there's nothing wrong with it. So adjust your panties and move on.

why does it seem like your always arguing with someone in every one of your posts?

insecure are we

sayemthree · 07-26-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Hmmm, if I wanted one of these, I could get one at a stellar deal (..due to friends/relatives working at a GM plant). Yippee!

you could even get TWO for the price of an M3!

KonigsTiger · 07-26-2008, 06:53 PM

Sucks!!!

ihyln · 07-26-2008, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by addy85

why does it seem like your always arguing with someone in every one of your posts?

insecure are we

Here's a clue, not agreeing with someone is okay, especially over the internet. Get over yourself.

addy85 · 07-26-2008, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ihyln

Here's a clue, not agreeing with someone is okay, especially over the internet. Get over yourself.

Lol, get over myself

This coming from you of all people

sayemthree · 07-26-2008, 11:54 PM

remember it takes TWO to argue over these internets!

addy85 · 07-27-2008, 12:20 AM

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remember it takes TWO to argue over these internets!

e46e92love · 07-27-2008, 11:49 PM

Its meant to compete against the upper end of the 5-series, not the 3-series

BMW335icDDS · 08-05-2008, 05:48 PM

The G8 is a pretty sweet car. If I had to spend money on a G8 or M3, surprisingly I'd buy the G8.

mightyaa · 08-06-2008, 10:22 AM

Sorry, brand me an elitist.. regardless of specs, performance, etc., a M3 will always be perceived as a better car. Image and perception have an absolute foothold on "value and worth" and don't even have to be based on real facts.

I'll be willing to bet a lot folks will be able to build up a G8 to outperform the M3. Sorry, but there is already a massive aftermarket for the Chevy V8 and a ton of mechanics who know what to do with them.. anything and everything is readily available as pretty much a bolt on. Bottom line though no matter what folks do to these things, it will still be a Pontiac... and I'm sure they'll show up in droves telling us how we wasted our money on our M3's.

ihyln · 08-06-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Southern

Show me a magazine article with journalism/language poor enough to label this "a poor man's M3"...

My neighbor's net worth is a little more than mine, and he drives a Toyota Camry....

Latest Motor Trend labeled the new Mazda 6 as the "poor mans Lexus". based on your username I would bet that a lot of other things will shock you such as gay marriages, a possible black president, and no more slavery. Also, net worth doesn't dictate what a person should drive, personal taste and need does.

Bunkei · 08-12-2008, 09:38 PM

Pontiac G8 had the potential to be the best performance sedan under $35,000. Considering the kind of cars Pontiac put out in the past, this is a major major upgrade. Everything in this car--saving one critical flaw which I'll address in a bit, is spot on. There have been at least two comparison tests where the G8 handed the Charger/300 twins their a**es. Car and Driver recently did an impromptu comparison between the G8 and the BMW 550i .. Their conclusion? The 550i is better, but certainly not $30,000 better, which isn't really a negative for BMW, but a positive for GM.

The ONLY thing that prevented this car from being the true muscle sports sedan that I've been longing for is a lack of a manual option. The manual option will be only be available on the upcoming GXP model, which will be priced nearer $40,000. Mind you, that's still a very good deal (what other 420+ hp sports sedan can be had under $40,000 with a stick?). Unfortunately, for those of us who don't make six figures, that pushes the G8 out of our price range.

However, there remains the slim hope that GM may make the manual available for the 2010 MY .. but I wouldn't hold my breath.

P.S. The M3's competition from GM will be the CTS-V. Judging from what I've seen so far, it's turning out to be one helluva car.

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Bunkei Anti-Fanboy 68 Rep 572 Posts Drives: 2018 BMW M4 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Seattle, WA iTrader: (0)	Pontiac G8 had the potential to be the best performance sedan under $35,000. Considering the kind of cars Pontiac put out in the past, this is a major major upgrade. Everything in this car--saving one critical flaw which I'll address in a bit, is spot on. There have been at least two comparison tests where the G8 handed the Charger/300 twins their a**es. Car and Driver recently did an impromptu comparison between the G8 and the BMW 550i .. Their conclusion? The 550i is better, but certainly not $30,000 better, which isn't really a negative for BMW, but a positive for GM. The ONLY thing that prevented this car from being the true muscle sports sedan that I've been longing for is a lack of a manual option. The manual option will be only be available on the upcoming GXP model, which will be priced nearer $40,000. Mind you, that's still a very good deal (what other 420+ hp sports sedan can be had under $40,000 with a stick?). Unfortunately, for those of us who don't make six figures, that pushes the G8 out of our price range. However, there remains the slim hope that GM may make the manual available for the 2010 MY .. but I wouldn't hold my breath. P.S. The M3's competition from GM will be the CTS-V. Judging from what I've seen so far, it's turning out to be one helluva car.
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