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Then Porsche is stupid to continuously sell GT3 and GT3 RS in North America since it is a tiny N/A engine producing a lot of power (115 HP/Liter). Samething goes for Ferrari for the Scuderia and the list goes on.
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It didn't meet U.S. bumper specs either because Lotus was able to obtain a waiver. As for your other reasons, they are all BS, and there are/were engineering work-arounds for all of them that don't involve a loss of performance. The answer is BMW didn't feel like spending the money to sell the car in the US. If there is a desire to sell in the US, it can easily be done. Blaming the law is simply stupid. Try again. . .
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Emissions is a valid concern. But they should have engineered it to be US emissions compliant from the start.
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So having been bitten by the US market before, they correctly concluded that they can sell a ton of M3's here, but only if they all have A/C, nice radios, sunroofs and electric heated seats. Thus, no E46 CSL at $80k. Quote:
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But then of course, that's not the real reason. They simply didn't think it would sell here. And they are right. |
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At 80k base price the CSL would be 43% higher then the base price of a normal m3. That's alot.
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11-03-2009, 01:35 PM | #448 | |
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BMW must be making a conservative claim. The GT3 997.1 had a conservative 7:42 lap time by Walter Rohrl while some testers were able to get it down to 7:39.
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Thats not the point though... The point is the chassis obviously has room for a significant performance improvement worthy enough to justify a CSL model. Which contridicts BMW's previous rationale of "oh the csl won't be faster then a normal m3... so we aren't going to build one." But we all knew that was crap when they said it 2 years ago.
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Where did you get the 997.1 GT3 weight figure of 3000 on the dot??? That is completely incorrect.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...w/specs_page_2 It actually was well over 3200 lbs in a track test so the M3 GT4 will have both a better power-to-weight and torque-to-weight than the 997.1 GT3. GT3 997.1 pwr: 3250/415 = 7.8 lbs/HP M3 GT4 pwr: 3200 - 3300 lbs (estimate)/450 = 7.1 - 7.3 lbs/HP The M3 GT4 will most likely be capable of running ~7:35 around Nurburgring. The E46 CSL ran a 7:50 with only 355 HP so I highly doubt the GT4 with 100 more HP will only be 10 seconds quicker. Quote:
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By the way, did you know that the 911 GT3 RS has navi? But the M3 CSL E46 had even no radio and no clim. Why does not any one complain about the price of the 911 GT3 RS? It costs (in France) 148.000 €, 30.000 € more than the 911 GT3 which costs 118.000 €. So, the 911 GT3 RS cost exactly as much as a 911 Turbo. But the 911 Turbo has all comfort features and better performance. The M3 (E92) costs 68.000 €, so lets say we ad 30.000 € as the 911 GT3 RS, it will cost 98.000 €. So you get 911 GT3 feeling for a cheaper price than a 911 GT3. A GT-R cost 88.000 €, cheaper than anything els, and yet faster than all.
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Incorrect. GT3 RS is the most track focused 911 out there right now. It outhandles and outperforms the 911 turbo around a race track in the right hands and it also is way more exciting, soulful and thrilling to drive (the sound of both cars are simply in different leagues). Hence, the price tag equal to 911 turbo.
Heck, even the one-and-only Walter Rohrl himself finally admitted that he would never pick 911 turbo over the 911 GT3 to take to the race track.
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I never said that the 911 Turbo was a better track car, but it has 4WD and Turbo, so it is nearly faster and maybe easier to drvie. The GT-R was always compared to the 911 Turbo or GT2 and not to the GT3. 911 Turbo: 0-100 km/h: 3.7 sec 911 GT3: 0-100 km/h: 4.1 sec 911 GT3 RS: 0-100 km/h: 4.0 sec |
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Yeah, turbo is faster in a straight line while GT3/RS is faster around a race track. Although, the straight line gap is closer with the 997.2 GT3 RS and turbo since the GT3 RS is 700 lbs lighter (2960 lbs) and makes only 50 HP less.
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Disagree with you here. The US market CLK63 Black does not have the same racing shells as the Euro market version does. The US market car has seats similar to those found in the C63. I've been in a couple of these cars, myself. Also, the OEM seat in the Euro CLK63 Black is not the same as the E46 M3 CSL - The Black comes with a one-off seat created by Sparco, I believe they called it the DTM. The M3 CSL came with one-off seats made by Recaro.
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bmw is jack of all trades right now, trying to appeal to a wider audience, can't blame them but losing focus
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