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04-09-2009, 10:49 AM | #23 | |||
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First of all, I do not care about the term "fanboi" and it bites me in the ass why you keep investing more time to make your point, when in actuality you are arguing something that was already incorrect from the beginning. You should have left it there. For everyone: "Fanboi" is NOT a REAL word. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fanboi That's your problem, you were looking at the wrong dictionary pal. I don't need anyone to believe my "opinion" of which wheel is better. In fact, although this back and forth is not going to last much longer, I'll refrain from including my opinion about that in my future posts. I was out of line discrediting this new wonderful product from DPE and if I would have known I would be wasting so much time, I would have very likely never posted. I didn't realize this was a public forum where I can exercise my opinion freely, how dare me!?! Sorry it so upset you. I realize that the one's who are educated on the subject can quickly define the differences and the better of the two. But then again, I'll refrain from going there. To get back on topic, yes I'm also contributing to steering away from my primary point, which by the way has been overlooked again because the kiddish crap "fanboi" and "nut licking" were more important topics of this dialog. But let me copy and paste it for you or you can refer back to post #17: Quote:
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04-09-2009, 01:43 PM | #24 |
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you expect anyone to read all of that? You're full of more than just hot air.
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04-10-2009, 06:45 AM | #27 | |
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errr, try again
UPDATE: INTERESTING INFO DIRECTLY FROM DPE! Quote:
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04-11-2009, 02:46 PM | #28 | |
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Then you're compaining about rotational inertia but you have absolutely no idea what the weights of the DPE are...and I bet you don't know what the weights of the HRE are. Even if you did know the weights of both weels, you definately wouldn't know the allocation of the weight with respect to it's center of mass. Theoritically, the HRE could weight 1 pound less, but have a heavier hoop, thus negating the fact that it actually weights less. You have no idea. By the way...both wheels are aparently made in the same shop, thus I would assume they are forged with the same process...leaving only design and FEA testing as differences, which nobody here can know about unless they work for both companies. Last point, your very first post was about how it's a copy of HRE. Never thought that HRE was not the first wheel maker in the world and I can guarantee you that the P40 and P41 are most certainly not 100% original and that wheel designs like the P40 and P41 existed way before their monoblock lines where released. Therefore...that really makes HRE the copier doesn't it? Oh yeah, and see quote above I paste here for reiteration: HRE and DPE source our 1pc blanks from the same supplier. And we both use our own CNC machines to mill in our own designs. Our ST7 wheel is a 3pc variation of our GT7 and our ST7 mono is just a continuation of that. We've had this design for many years now, even before HRE came out with their 1pc. Sorry for the long post...had to get that one out. By the way...I acutally like HRE wheels better, but that doesn't mean they are... |
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Anyways, I then when on to say that, no, I truly don't believe that DPE engineers a better wheel than HRE. First of all, this is my opinion, not a fact. Second of all, I make this judgement partially based on what I have personally witnessed from a tour during HRE's open house last year. This has nothing to do with their marketing, it's purely a tour from their engineer of what happens behind the scenes. One thing that convinced me to buy their wheels is that they go out of their way to prove to you the big differences between them and others. In my opinion, only a company that truly does offer more would want everyone to know this. I'm still waiting for DPE (and others within reasonable driving distance) to host an open house and personal tour from their engineers. When they do, you can count on me certainly being there. I couldn't tell you if I would have a different opinion coming out, but I can tell you that I was impressed with what I've so far seen of HRE. I hope you know that there is much more to engineering a wheel than just minimizing mass wherever you can. You need to factor in structural integrity as well (in other words... safety!). Quote:
They are missing the one major step that BBS, HRE, etc takes... FEM/FEA testing. For those who don't know what that is, it's software that allows you to accurately analyze how every little point in a wheel design would react in a real life situation. DPE skips this step and tests the wheels to meet DOT standards once they have been CNC machined. My bicycle helmet is tested to meet DOT standards. You are basically proving my point and making DPE look bad at the same time. Another thing DPE doesn't have is TUV verification. I've also learned if the company is TUV verified then you better believe they are using the highest engineering methods to build a correct and safe wheel. Important note... There is a difference between claiming that you engineer your wheels to TUV standards and actually being TUV verified. In my opinion, it's not even fair to compare HRE to DPE. Many who are also knowledgeable on the subject will agree. Which forging supplier you use is an important step, but there is many other significant things that need to be factored in before even comparing the two. Quote:
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About TUV and DOT. Wheels don't need to be TUV approved, and I'm sure that costs money. HRE can absorb these costs in high wheel pricing, DPE wheels cost much less and aparently they are doing well without it. They are not selling racing wheels by any means...they work for what the are, street. I'm sure if DPE thought they needed TUV approval to get more sales, they'd do so. It's a business first and foremost...probably not going to spend money on testing and approvals that they don't require for their market. I'm not saying DPE are engineered to the same standard, but I have no idea, and neither do you. So neither of us should go around spouting about how one brand is better than the other without backup. Quote:
OH yeah...that picture above my post IS NOT HRE. That pics always comes up in threads like this. Look at the centercap...not HRE. Anyways...in effort to get the thread back on track...OP get some pics of the wheels on the car ASAP!!! |
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04-12-2009, 12:33 AM | #33 | |
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DPE claims that they get their forgings from the same supplier... ok, fine, if that is indeed true. But like I said, and as you probably already know since you're an engineer, there are many other significant steps that are missing in DPE's process. So, according to the little information mentioned above and DPE's website (thank you), my claim now has a basis and facts. So ultimately, unless DPE neglected to mention crucial steps in their manufacturing process on their website, I remain correct (with "backup") from the beginning. You are correct, the United States doesn't require that an aftermarket manufacturer is TUV approved, but Germany does! Germany is extremely strict about engineering and safety of aftermarket products that are made or distributed within their country. Also, it's not fair to justify that HRE's price tag is why they can absorb the extreme costs associated with being TUV approved. This takes talented engineers and a long commitment to build quality wheels. For example, I know the least expensive fastener they use is made by ARP. I'm familiar with these bolts because they are used in racing engines and they are VERY VERY expensive per bolt (probably 10x more expensive than the "rivets" that most brands use). Another example, (going back to FEA), that software costs ten's of thousands of dollars to just lease annually. Those who are willing to pay the high price tag will also recognize that their wheels are not cheap to build and they are purchasing one of the best wheels on the market. Most brands IMO are driven by marketeers who claim they offer what the "big dog" offers but never does. It's about time people like myself actually point this out. There are so many examples of this Iforged, 360 Forged, DPE, etcetc. They all claim to sell "performance" wheels, including DPE (Dynamic Performance Engineering) who claims their wheels are "track proven and performance driven". I can't help but laugh now that the facts are on the table. |
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Is that all you could find!?!?!? That wheel is probably 20 years old. Heck, I would imagine there would be at least more damage than that considering the differences in technology between now and then.
Come on, at least show us something that is actually relevant and valuable. I bet you can't find anything. |
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04-12-2009, 07:37 AM | #35 |
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I just want my wheels to be finished already so i can go around driving on my highly controversial wheels.
Thanks to everyone except ba22... That should be good for at least one more "last" post from you.
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Let me remind you to stay on topic guys. Thanks.
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04-12-2009, 02:05 PM | #37 |
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Nope, point made and more. Thanks for dismissing the facts though. Enjoy your new wheels!! I'm sure they'll look great. And cute baby in the avatar.
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04-13-2009, 07:09 AM | #38 |
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Will do. Thanks ba
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TUV certifification???....
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DPE said they should be shipping by week end which means I should have them by next week sometime.
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TUV Verified and TUV Certified is not the same thing. They have a TUV certified process of making wheels. It is not the same as each individual wheel being tested and TUV approved. If they are we would all love to see the certifications. Typical HRE marketing though About visiting the HRE facility, I`m sure 99% of the people that visit have no knowledge whatsoever of what they are looking at and walk out of there absolutely impressed at how 3Pc wheels are made and not so much at the technology involved in making actual wheels. When a wheel is over 25lbs in a 19", is "custom" machined from stocked blanks, is built from the lowest available forging tonnage 4000 and is retailed for $5600 it really says a lot about that company. You want a performance wheel? Get some Volk TE37 or Advan RS for less than $3,000. Take a look at the RAC group buy or pick up some MORR. HRE are overpriced mediocre wheels that have been marketed excellently, very close to 360Forged Marketing is the key here. I have dozens of things I can say related to this topic yet I honestly don't see the point anymore. People are still ignorant and will stay ignorant to the fact that HRE is not a performance wheel manufacturer. Period. Maybe the guys from RAC will chime in. |
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I didn't ask but will ask them about the offset. I did reiterate about 100 times that I wanted a flush fitment (w/o being overly aggressive to cause rubbing since I'm lowered on RD Springs and using beefy tires).lol. They test fit on a local M3 and told me I would be happy
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