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I have both! A e92 m3 and 335i jb3 both 6mt
Love the power and of 335i, I upgraded the steering wheel to the m3 version, as well as the weighted m, shifter. The 335i is great as a daily driver. Because the torque comes on very early, every bit of road is usable to enjoy so you don't need long stretches of asphalt to "feel the power" The m3? Sounds amazing, looks good ( if lowered, still way to high) m button is fun. A completely different drive. High rev engine, power comes on late, but still usable. Needs a track or twistys to really show its worth. And lastly the "M" has pedigree if you care what people think ( which I don't) but I do like that it has some "history" to it. With all that said, I might still sell my 335i for a 2nd m3 e93!, the convertible version of the m3 allows you to really hear the sound of the v8, which is addictive. But so is the low end torque or the 335i. You really can't go wrong with any of them!!
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I say "My ONLY point is that I think the M guys dropped the ball in this one area. Otherwise, the car is damned close to being a paragon." And you say that I (along with some other guy) "...do nothing but rag on the M3". Perhaps you should expand your knowledge of the language and look up the word "paragon". Or, failing that, perhaps you can explain to me how 14/20 in a 3600 pound, four-liter car is actually a terrific achievement. I look forward to your response. |
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Owned both, disagree. As others attest, 335 slightly modded = rocket. Both nice cars though. Hoping the new M3 solves the current cars ills. |
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One disagreement I have, however, is that the S65 is a wonderful engine. Could it have been better? absolutely. But there is nothing wrong about this high revving 4 liter engine, and although we can get into debates on technical pros/cons, there is a reason why this engine won "engine of the year" in its category 4 years straight.
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06-11-2012, 10:33 AM | #73 | |
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A friend of mine also had a 2008 335i and had the same fuel pump issues and was bone stock. It isn't just some internet myth. The N55 cars seem much more reliable, but it still isn't going to drive like a M. Just sit in both, the leather in the M3 is softer and the car feels like a $60k car. I can't say the same about the 335i, even though I definitely respect the modded 335i's and the speeds they are capable of. I'm not hating on the 335i, they're cool cars and can be made very fast for cheap. But it is not going to drive like a M3. The E92 M3 is the most "solid" feeling car I've driven other than italians. My 2c. |
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I had both and they are wonderful cars, both impressive for their costs for different reasons. 335 more chuckable, M3 more planted. Both quick but 335 more impressive at the price point. As for the leather...who gives. You dont buy an M3 for that |
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06-11-2012, 07:56 PM | #78 |
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I would just add the M3 does things as well and can hang with cars that cost more also.
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One thing that continues to amaze me is that the damned thing loses just 11% off the torque peak over a 4400 rpm span. Unbelieveable in a current road-ready, smog legal engine. Bruce |
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Let me just give you a real world example.
Recently I had to install some insulation batting in a rental property. I fully planned renting the Lowe's truck to take everything over to the house but the truck was out for the afternoon. So instead of waiting or not doing it I folded down the rear seats and loaded one of the two bundles into the back of the car (I had it covered don't worry...). While I was contemplating what to do with the other huge bundle a guy in a big Denali who had pulled out of the parking lot pulled BACK in and asked me "hey you're not planning on putting that in there are you?! That car is too nice to do that! Love M3's!" He then offered to take the extra bundle in his truck to my house 2 blocks away! No questions asked. Don't think I would have gotten the same reaction with a 335i... Just for fun after he said "that thing sounds mean!" I got on it with him behind me so he could hear it sing above 5 k rpm and hit maybe 60 quicker than I should have. Looked back to see where he was, but my view was obstructed by a huge thing of INSULATION BATTING. I just started cracking up. Here I was able to hit 0-60'ish in a more than sufficient time, carrying home improvement items from the local home improvement store with a guy who liked my car enough to offer to help for NO OTHER REASON than he appreciated it as well. Said a ton. Moral of the story? Utility, performance, recognition, exclusivity (relatively as sedans are more rare than coupes and verts) and most importantly FUN.
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http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtest...s/2009-bmw-m3/ lowmilelude says: 05:00 AM, 03/ 2/10 There's a cardiac surgeon at work who drives a brand new M3. Yesterday in the parking lot, I swear to God I caught him smiling while he was sitting in the driver's seat, waiting for it to warm up. That guy never effing smiles. NEVER. |
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I am a new e92 owner so I am not as brainwashed by the BMW brand as some of you. My personal opinion has been that 3 series are nothing special. I have never been impressed when seeing one and have always looked at them as entry level BMWs, much like the Mercedes C class. Some of the 3 series I see on the road, with cheaper wheels, etc. look terrible. They are over priced and for less money you can buy a better equipped car with more power, like a G37x.
The M3 however is different. Much different. It has class, exterior styling, respectable speed, and is one of the best special edition vehicles ever made IMO. Yes, it shares the same chassis as the other 3 series cars, including the 335i you all keep comparing the M3 to for some reason. But that's where the similarity ends. I could name a ton of other cars that blow the 335 away. I'd rather drive the new mustang than a 335i 6mt with mods. I would never buy a $40k to $60k car, under warranty, and modifiy it. Seems kind of ghetto to me. If you own one that is out of warranty or are so rich it doesn't matter then more power to ya. But saying a modded 335i is fast... Who cares? You can buy a Honda Civic and do the same thing, but you are still driving a Honda Civic. I feel what makes the M3 special is that it was engineered to be fast. ///M designed it that way. Not some kid who ordered parts on eBay. I hope I don't come off wrong with my comments. It's hard sometimes to get your point across in writing. I am not trying to rip on BMW or say that 335i's are POS. I test drove one and it is a decent car, well built, etc. But it is not special like the M3. Just to be clear, I love my e92. It is my first BMW and I have much more respect for the brand since purchasing it. Seriously, it is an amazing car. I owned a Cayman S prior to this but live in Chicago so I could only drive it when the weather was nice. I had a C300 as my commuter/winter car. The Cayman is an awesome car, I could go on and on about how well engineered that car is. I have always been a Porsche enthusiast and have great respect for the brand. Which is kind of why I am so drawn to the ///M cars. I have a high respect for the performance driven/race inspired cars coming out of Germany and the history that comes with them.
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This makes sense. I am the OP, and like my previous M3 and the Porsche Cayman S I have now, the current M3 IS special. It has "soul" that is felt through every fabric of the car. After test driving a 335i, I can feel that M3 soul before getting out of second gear, just driving down the street.
I may not drive especially hard (but hard enough to evaporate Continentals off the Cayman in 17,000 miles), but it doesn't matter. The M3 is special. While not in the same class, I got the same feeling when test driving a Mitsubishi EVO. VERY clearly, way more soul and personality than a regular Lancer!...at any speed. Phil |
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It's for you because you came from an M3 and then a Cayman S. Although I think my 335i is an unbelievable good daily driver, it would be a "downgrade" from such former cars. It's also clear from what you've written that you're someone who really appreciates the feel. I am the same way. Reason I chose the M3 over the P-twins was because of it's overall comfort and practicality.
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OK, your turn, tough guy. Explain to me how 14 and 20 in a four liter, 3600 pound car are actually good numbers. Hell, even a Camaro, with more power and more weight does better. |
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paragon[ par-uh-gon, -guh n ] noun 1.*a model or pattern of excellence or of a particular excellence: a paragon of virtue. Its won 5 years in a row judged by people way more important than you. Obviously no one cares about your 14 and 20 3,600 lb argument. Let it go |
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