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Hans, you are officially disallowed from buying the IS-F and making the biggest mistake of your life!!!
I just spent 4.5 hours in my M3--a drive up to Maine--and feel great! Not a harsh ride at all. Perfect DD in my book. EDC works wonders here. If you are tame, the M3 is tame. If you are aggressive, it turns into a beast. Absolutely two cars in one. Please don't buy the IS-F. Please...What else do you want me to say? You're just going through a phase. Get on the track and punish your S2000 some more. It might make help you pass the time... If you buy the IS-F, I'll find you on whatever IS-F forum you end up registering at and haunt you for life!
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I have my in-house guy handle all my brake work....
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ohhhhh shheeeeet!!!! No problem. I think I'm OK. I don't really want an IS-F. I just want a new car. Sayem3, I did commute in a Civic for a little over 3 years... not again!! Life is too short to drive slow cars -- I know you know that! When I got my Evo 8 I told myself "what were you waiting for?!" ... even though I saved a ton of $ driving that Civic. I think an M3 plus an Evo X should keep me happy. It will cost me a little more than just running off and buying an IS-F, but I love the "X" and the M3.... so that's what I need to do! Until I have a weak moment and change my mind again...... Waiting sucks!!!!
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Lexus' first attempt of dethroning the M3 is admirable. However, one frequent complaint that I've read in the magazines when testing it that it's suspension is downright unpleasant for daily use. It seems that Lexus hasn't quite mastered the black art of that perfect balance between handling and ride like BMW has.
The car's exterior has drawn a lot of flack too, but I rather the IS-F be overdone than continue the blandness of the other Lexus models. |
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dont do it.
the Lexus: 1. fake fender vents 2. fake exhaust pipes 3. cheesy plastic engine cover 4. No Lim Slip Diff 5. engine out of the LS460 6. engine tuned by Yamaha 7. Nav out of the Prius 8. No manual transmission 9. IS-F has lost every track comparison to date 10. peak torque RPM is way to high (the Lexus engine doesn’t deliver according to CandD) 11. Average age of Lexus owner 60-something. Average age of BMW owner 40-something 12. Its still a Toyota, the General Motors of Japan Motor Trend on the IS-F sept 2008:steering "really loses sensitivity when honking it" "but the car understeers heavily at the limit" and the "wheel feels disconnected at that point". and it "plows hard" when pushed. and inside "the nav screen and buttons come right out of the Prius".
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I dont see Detriot laughing now, in fact they are begging to have their Toyota Jobs come here to the States. Is history repeating itself? Watch your Back Munich, in the Internet Age nothing is sacred anymore. Good Attempt I'd say for it first try, the Toyota Saga continues... pls stay tuned
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As Lucid says, the M3 is able to change character better. The ISF is very good but not great. In your case, sounds like you'll need a refined beast (M3 or ISF or C63) and a raw beast (Evo 8 or X) so the one car theory is not going to work. Resist the temptation. Resist the temptation. Resist the temptation. (Repeat over and over). PS: ase2dais also got a great color and made the right choice. |
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Look, I think the OP ought to wait if he can, but this is silly.
So the one fake hood vent on the M3 is OK? As far as I am concerned, both cars look good, but the 328/335 and IS250/350 each have a cleaner, better look How so? The one I examined at the NY auto show had the stainless tips fastened to the rear cap (nice clean look), with the actual pipes ending about two inches forward of the tips, aimed straight down the center of them. Elegant engineering design, in my opinion. Perhaps so. Is this actually important? Agreed. This is an actual problem, even with software involvment. It's one of the things that soured me on the 335. I guess I'd have to say advantage Toyota. Thumbs up from me. Yamaha has a reputation in the industry similar to Porsche in this regard. And a very good one it is. Yo! You're buying an automatic, remember? (Sorry Swamp.) It's his everyday street ride, remember? His track ride is a ton better than either Lexus or BMW. Quote:
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Bruce you know darn well the one is functional and the other is for aesthetics in terms of symmetry which BMW (and many of us) value fairly highly. In other words, yes it is perfectly OK.
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lets hope I can resist the c63 tempatation now
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The question really is -- which car would you want if they were both available today? 3 months is nothing.
Availability is not really a big plus unless you need a car today.
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Bruce - I've owned both Lexus and BMWs. They are both excellent cars, well above the majority of cars out there. However, BMWs are more sporty while Lexus' are more luxurious (both by design). The ISF is a tremendous car but falls slightly to the luxury side while the BMW M3 falls on the sporty side.
No doubt you can't go wrong with either. Clearly people will make their own choice as has been debated endlessly. The thread started with Hans and HER wanderlust. She's a knowledgeable car person who probably tracks more than most here. Given her past posts, I think most are suggesting that she will enjoy the BMW more than the ISF. In particular her original post was whether she could live with the ISF alone vs. a BMW + Evo. Last edited by WCH; 04-20-2008 at 09:15 PM.. |
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I thought the side vents on the ISF where functional, and the M3's engine cover is made of hard plastic as well, isn't. Either way, i honestly don't think it matters that much for either one.
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the F fender vents are Fake , as in F= fake, F= Fail. except for the fact that they look ricer like the Fake exhaust tips too.
the M3 engine componant you see in the above pic, for the uneduacated (GGB are you here?) is called an intake plenum and it is functional, it covers 8, yes count them, 8 intake throttles, something you will not see on the IS-Fake. its not a Fake cover like on the Failing ISF.
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I'd bet that neither the IS-F not M3 engine covers are "plastic" per se. Well if you call CFRP plastic then I guess you could call these plastic as well. I'd be they are fiber reinforced composites, much like CFRP with much cheaper fibers, chopped/short fibers in random orientations. The best term to use is composite (if my suspucions are correct).
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they are both functional, the first are pass thru vent for the brake cooling, and rear exhaust are four independent functional tailpipes, theres nothing fake on cars that are in the $60+ price tag
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