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There is no question that the GTR has blinding speed capabilities and can lap a track faster than an M3. If you simply want a Japanese monster car, aka "Godzilla", the GTR really is it. But.... I really had to think what I would be using the car for. This is a street car for me. Comfort and luxury are important too and the M3 wins here hands down and yet the handling in the M3 certainly isn't lacking. The BMW has struck a far superior ride-handling balance. Secondly, the GTR isn't exactly the prettiest thing to look at. It certainly looks better in some colors than others, but the lines are not fluid at all. The entire exterior design looks like a combination of bits and pieces of mutliple car designs trying to be meshed together. Even the interior is very choppy and piece-meal looking in appearance. By comparison, even Nissan's own 370Z is a much cleaner, sexier, coherent design. The M3 is pure sex on wheels. It is simply a gorgeous car. Third, the GTR makes all sorts of unpleasant noises when being driven. The turbos are loud in an unpleasing way. The transmission makes all sorts of awful clunking noises that are almost embarrassing in a car of this caliber. The engine and exhaust sounds leave much to be desired, and these things too are a big part of the subjective pleasure in enjoying your driving experience. So, really think about what is important to you. These are very different cars and IMO neither car is "better" than the other. If you just have to have something that is virtually unbeatable by almost anything else on the road in terms of pure performance, however, you should get the GTR.
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I'm seeing a lot of misinformation here. First, there is no doubt that the GT-R is a better track car, so I'll get that out of the way.
Now, the M3 is *NOT* a touring car, it is a TRACK CAR. It's certainly not at the top of the track food chain, but that doesn't make it anything but a "sports car". See the M5 if you want a touring car. I'm also seeing a lot of talk about it being $30k less than the GT-R. Also nonsense. My M3 was $84K out the door and missing parking sensors. You could get an M3 for over $90K at full sticker, which is what GT-R owners are paying at the moment, and what you'll pay when a new model releases. Apples to apples, the M3 and GT4 are priced nearly the same, and the GT-R will tear the ass off an M3 in just about every way, except that it's not a BMW. Nuff said. |
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The GTR is a better sports car, but it comes up short on the street driving comfort and overall refinement end of things. So in this regard, it does not "tear the ass" off the M3. The M3 is better balanced in this regard.
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05-31-2011, 06:59 PM | #137 | |
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to be honest... i could give a shit if its a BMW or not. if i can afford the GTR... Ill throw away my M3 in a heart beat. BRANDS DOESNT IMPRESS ME
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I had the opportunity to drive my friend's GT-R. Incredible, but I love my M. The GT-R is just wayyyy too much power for every day driving, IMHO. That and we had some fart can civics and SRT-4s try to race us on the highway, lol. But I guess that happens with M3s as well.
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06-01-2011, 10:25 AM | #139 | |
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Mine feels slow. I floor it and : yawn. Same ol' same ol'. Sad reality with performance cars. So what to do? Mod it? Feel fast again for a week, and then get used to it again? Rinse and repeat over and over and over, until you turn your car into a 1/4 mile monster, only to still get used to it and still feel slow? Oh cars. How I hate/love them. L'sigh. Moral of the story : Nope. It's not too much power to daily drive. -scheherazade |
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I wish they made a GTR sedan.
Wait... then I'd have to sell a kidney and everything else I own to get one. Phew, I'm glad they don't make a GTR sedan...
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Drive an SUV or a rental car for a week and then get back in your Nissan.
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I test drove a GTR 3 times, but could not get past its crudeness and ugliness. It is fast as all hell though.
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Are you sure you were in a GTR? These kind of comments are borderline silly. How is a GTR crude?
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You sure you weren't driving an ACR Viper? lol Looks are purely subjective. I (and many others) happen to like the looks of the GTR. |
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The looks comment is funny... I've owned both... now with the GTR... no one walked by my M3, M5, or IS-F (well some on the IS-F) and asked... "who makes that"... or "what kind of car is that"... and it was in 'Respect'... for the absolute the car displays.
I love this site... we find ways to compare 'everything' to an M3... and some fanbois find ways to even believe the M3 is better than 'everything' every other automaker produces. The GTR is hands down a better car in every way than the M3... The M3 is still an AWESOME vehicle! People choose the two vehicles (IMO) for different reasons 'most of the time'. Dave
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BTW, I just saw a GTR last night at a local car-collection open house, and it does have a very menacing presence. I'd never seen one up close. It is a great looking car to be sure. And this was my impression even though it was parked adjacent to a row of late model Ferraris, a Veyron, some Porsches, and a Maserati Quatroporte. |
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I've loved all my M cars.. Great cars indeed. Even though I've owned plenty that would beat them on the race track, down the strip etc...
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My other car is an old accord. I use it on a semi regular basis (1-2 days every 2 weeks or so). It doesn't feel particularly slow, even though I know it is. A crappy old beater, manual, wrung out on a shitty road, can feel really fun - You let it rev out, scream, strain, pitch and bob through some turns, and it has the 'feels fast' aspect - even though it really isn't going very fast at all. On the other hand an automatic suv floored on a straight from an already highway speed roll, it just feels sad in comparison. Very sad. It really feels like my threshold for 'wow this is fast' just gets pushed up, but most things below that threshold don't really suffer as much (in terms of my disinterest/lack of entertainment). I find that [for cars that don't wow me with ridiculous power] delivery matters more than speed on paper. Some cars are boring, some cars are fun. I can still have fun in a slow car, and not feel slow (eg. elise, s2000). But a boring car feels slow, and actual speed has trouble making up for it (eg. vanilla C6 : don't expect that to make sense. I simply rented one for a few days and just felt really disappointed. Sprung too soft, pitches and rolls way too much after any bump - just didn't meet expectations. For how it looks, and what it should bring, it just didn't do it for me. Too much was eaten up by the suspension. Felt like a sporty crown vic. Engine was nice, though. But for something that I expected to have a lot of feeling (light-ish, good performance), it was number than my mouth after the dentist.). -scheherazade Last edited by scheherazade; 06-03-2011 at 11:44 AM.. |
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