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07-29-2011, 05:05 AM | #1 |
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BMW i8 Concept - Finally a supercar
We've been craving a supercar. I just saw this
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=565272 Now what caught my eye, and is also something we might have known for a while is that this i8 has a combustion engine over its rear axle. So now we know BMW has a platform in its stable that can support a rear mounted engine... thoughts? |
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I was thinking the same thing. HOPEFULLY, the'll make an M8 with the V8TT and possibly keep the hybrid powertrain too.
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07-29-2011, 09:29 AM | #3 |
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"super car" is defined by power to weight ratio. That car looks super (and may have a super price), but it's performance is not. 4.6s 0-60 is nowhere near super car performance. We still need a new M1!
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07-29-2011, 10:18 AM | #4 | |
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I am cautiously optimistic that this platform could spawn a car outside of the "i" brand. However, I don't know what engines they can fit in there. I guess the N74 V12 would be the obvious choice for a true supercar, or maybe a true S74. But can the platform accomodate it? I am sure they can get 700hp+ from that engine easily. Of course, that doens't exactly fit with their brand values these days. The S63 would be the next obvious choice, and probably cheaper. Certainly lighter. We'll see if they do it. There's talk of an M1 revival, so it would make sense to use an existing platform if they do decide to build it. |
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07-29-2011, 11:58 AM | #5 |
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For realz. I'd rather have a used 997 GT2 at that price.
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On a better note, BMW M may end up being it's own sub brand and as unique and independent as BMWi is from BMW as we know it. With the i8 and i3 being as close to production as they are, I believe a lot of focus will be going into M cars now and figuring out what they can use and borrow from BMWi and implement it in BMW M. Also, figuring out a strategy with the future lineup of M cars... M1, M2, M3. With the new naming structure for the 3series being "3" for the sedans and "4-series" for the coupe, this reinforces the idea of M becoming its own brand because the chances of the next M3 coupe being called a M4 coupe (based on current M naming logic) is close to none. So it has to be an M3 which will be heavily differentiated by BMW M.
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And a car that costs 150K for such shitty 0-60 times is ridiculous. This isn't an Aston or Bentley, where class and prestige would make up for the lack luster performance. And this whole hybrid deal, I think it is stupid. Bring out hydrogen cars already. |
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yes i agree ugly as hell. maybe its the paint scheme but i think even with that chaged its proportions look silly.
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07-29-2011, 01:46 PM | #12 | |
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In regards to 150k car, you are missing the point entirely and hydrogen project has pretty much been abandoned as there are much more efficient and efficient to realize technologies available. Also, thanks so much for changing your avatar. I would cringe every time I saw snookie.
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I always dreamt about a new BMW M1. But now it is too late. I do not care about it anymore. Will it be better than a Ferrari, Porsche, Lambo or even R8? No, so what is the use.
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If you look at SCOTT26's response from to my post in another thread from today, an M model apparently is not in the cards...
Quote: (HBSpeed) Cool presentation, I just watched it live. However nothing was said regarding an M model of the i8 which leads me to believe it will be a long time before any such information will be allowed out; not to mention an on sale date. Guess that solidifies that my next sports car purchase will not be a BMW. If you want to give such information to bring be back off the ledge however, I am all ears SCOTT26... SCOT26: There will be no M model. An M i8 defeats the purpose of the car and of the stand-alone image of the BMWi brand. This is the future of the Sports car in a sustainable era. http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...04&postcount=7 |
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The i8 is obviously not a supercar and we know it has existed for a long time. My point is that, with our knowledge of the i8, we also know BMW has a platform that can support a rear mounted engine (mid-engine?). My thought is that this could eventually spawn a rear engined "supercar" based on this same platform. We know BMW is an opportunistic company and maybe they'll see the opportunity and build upon this platform with a more powerful engine. Although SCOTT26 said there would be no M version of the i8, its important to understand that I'm not suggesting that. What i AM suggesting is that BMW might take some cues used to build the i8 and adapt it to a more powerful road going car... Although the i8 is its own unique car and the i division is its own separate entity, that doesnt mean the companies under BMW's umbrella dont share resources. I wouldn't be surprised if BMW ///M were to take some of the technology and adapt it for its own needs... even if that means only retaining 10% of the i8's characteristics. |
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Forget everything about the 3 series and throw out BMW's heritage? Yep sounds like the new BMW to me. Screw NA engines in ///m. Screw the traditional line up we have all come to know and love. Screw everything. And btw, You're welcome. I laughed so hard about snooki wanting smoosh smoosh. Glad south park was renewed. |
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off-topic, but was the 1-series or the e86/e89 Z4s based on other platforms? Is there any reasoning why they didn't try to make those mid-engine to your knowledge? |
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07-29-2011, 06:37 PM | #19 | |
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As for heritage, it takes you only so far. Simple question for you... you want to see BMW M keep making kick ass cars or you want to see the company fail and no longer exist? Which is it? You can say turbos are not as kick ass as NA but hey, it is what it is... they need to pull more power (in a safe and reliable manner) while getting great gas milage and polluting less due to regulations. Trust me, if there were a much better way of doing all 3 in a better way while still staying profitable and being able to compete with the global car market, they would do it. IF BMW does not introduce the cars and categories they are introducing, while changing and adapting to the global automotive climate, AND reworking how they make their sports cars to stay relevant... They will fail. The competition is greater than its ever been. With companies like VW OWNING and sharing technologies between vehicles like Bugatti, Audi, Lamborghini, Bentley, Porsche, etc... Do you really think BMW, as it currently stands, has the budget, resources, and information to keep toping Audi or other competitors? No, they dont. Again, you want to adapt to changes that are out of BMWs hands or do you want to see them fail and no longer make vehicles? As a dedicated BMW, 3-series specifically, enthusiast (I'm on my 6th 3-series, 4-th M3), I will take some change over nothing at all. /William Wallace
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