Leaving the E9X M3 for F8X M3? Don't give up your E9X for anything

[duk]

come on guys, newer m3 faster than older gen? duhhhhh

is it better though?

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by duk

come on guys, newer m3 faster than older gen? duhhhhh

is it better though?

faster is always better. ASK any GTR owner they will tell you!

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by Ezio

faster is always better. ASK any GTR owner they will tell you!

My wife doesn't like it when I finish so fast? I have a slow car to even things out.

[M3/4 life]

Originally Posted by Ezio

faster is always better. ASK any GTR owner they will tell you!

That's what I heard too!.....

[1MOREMOD]

Is careful driver something like serious driver?

[aus]

Originally Posted by JRV

I just noticed they changed the subject on the Active sound thread you posted. It said how do you turn off stupid active sound. The title has completely changed to Bought a Launch Car

LOL

That's SOOOO cheesy. I'm sure BMW is a MAJOR sponsor on these boards with the way posts are being manipulated.

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[Bemo]

Leave BMW alone and their paranoid efforts of making sure that the new car is a success! There's nothing wrong with that, considering the overall "for profit" operation.
If you have an M3, it's hard to justify the exponentially higher cost, for the incremental benefits! If going a tad faster is worth the extra money, go for it. Just don't discount a naturally-aspirated V8 for an I6. I will test drive both but ideally back to back. Better or not, it's hard to argue with the savings of getting an E vs. F series...especially given the new front end.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but only if you're blind, and rich, and stupid...

I'm outtie...

[W///]

Originally Posted by Bemo

Leave BMW alone and their paranoid efforts of making sure that the new car is a success! There's nothing wrong with that, considering the overall "for profit" operation.
If you have an M3, it's hard to justify the exponentially higher cost, for the incremental benefits! If going a tad faster is worth the extra money, go for it. Just don't discount a naturally-aspirated V8 for an I6. I will test drive both but ideally back to back. Better or not, it's hard to argue with the savings of getting an E vs. F series...especially given the new front end.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but only if you're blind, and rich, and stupid...

I'm outtie...

I think cost has absolutely nothing to do with this, so that shouldn't even be an argument. How much car people can afford is completely another story that has nothing to do with this thread IMO.

I think "incremental benefit" is completely subjective too. We've covered that over 15 pages. Not that I'm a race car driver, but a 7:52 Nurburgring lap time is a pretty spectacular improvement on paper. Otherwise, why aren't we all driving the E46 M3? Best looking, affordable and not THAT much slower than an E9x.

[kawasaki00]

Originally Posted by W///

Hopefully I can get a test drive soon enough and get my own opinion on the car. Unfortunately, the local dealership can be kind of jerks.

Come up to Charlotte I can get you a ride.

[W///]

Originally Posted by kawasaki00

Come up to Charlotte I can get you a ride.

I really might take you up on that. Maybe I'll aim for the next Cars and Coffee or something and we can grab lunch too.

[SOM3]

Originally Posted by Careful Driver

Again, sir, I specifically said, if you are getting this car for tracking, then that's a different conversation. In that regard, I'd look into getting a new Z07 or a used Porsche though, because for what this car provides, it's actually a lot of money.

My point is, if you are not a professional race driver, 99% time during daily driving and maybe 75% time in a race track, you are never going to feel THAT faster in this car. Furthermore, the marginal improvement is not worth giving up the V8 for.

If the old car also had a turbo I6, then that would be a different conversation. But the fact that old car has such a unique engine that sounds so good makes things a little difficult.

Add to this the fact that you'll be paying sticker for this car just makes it even a more immature decision to buy one at this point with all these points considered.

So you're saying that M3/4 should not be purchased under any circumstance BUT buying a heavy M5 is ok?

Got ya.

[Gasdocpa]

Test driving a 2014 GT-R premium, 2013 911 C4S and a 2013 C 63 AMG 507 tomorrow. ... already tested the C7 vette and Audi RS5... full review/comparison to follow....definitely very different beasts at many levels. Watching the World's Greatest Drag Races on you tube kind of gets me pumped for all out acceleration but no other car so far has felt like an extension of the driver to the road like the M3

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by W///

I think cost has absolutely nothing to do with this, so that shouldn't even be an argument. How much car people can afford is completely another story that has nothing to do with this thread IMO.

I think "incremental benefit" is completely subjective too. We've covered that over 15 pages. Not that I'm a race car driver, but a 7:52 Nurburgring lap time is a pretty spectacular improvement on paper. Otherwise, why aren't we all driving the E46 M3? Best looking, affordable and not THAT much slower than an E9x.

[kawasaki00]

Originally Posted by Careful Driver

I also cannot strongly emphasize how the 5500 rpm wall hits. Its so weird. M5 isnt like this, it never runs out of breath. Maybe because its a larger engine and higher horsepower. M3's torque drop is very obvious.

Looking at the power graph I can see what you are saying. It is finished making power at 6300, the torque drops a hundred ft/lbs from 5500-6500. The money shift point will be at about 6700. No point in redlining the car if pure acceleration is what is desired. Interesting to see the rpm drop per shift.

[kawasaki00]

Originally Posted by dmk08

I agree, I think the e36 looks much better than the 46.

[1MOREMOD]

Funny thing about all this M5 and lap time talk. I have never seen one at the track, but m3 is there every time usually tons of them. It's bad enough tracking a 3600 lb car let alone 4200 or whatever most people are smart enough not to campaign such a tire and brake wrecker.

[Petros]

Originally Posted by kawasaki00

Looking at the power graph I can see what you are saying. It is finished making power at 6300, the torque drops a hundred ft/lbs from 5500-6500. The money shift point will be at about 6700. No point in redlining the car if pure acceleration is what is desired. Interesting to see the rpm drop per shift.

don't forget torque magnification through the gearbox. The engine at high rpm may be producing a bit less torque at the crank, but that is amplified through the lower gearing. Depending on the gear ratios, short shifting might yield more torque at the crank but less at the wheels, which is where it matters. It's hard to decide the optimal shift points without taking into account the gear ratios first.

[Petros]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

Funny thing about all this M5 and lap time talk. I have never seen one at the track, but m3 is there every time usually tons of them. It's bad enough tracking a 3600 lb car let alone 4200 or whatever most people are smart enough not to campaign such a tire and brake wrecker.

I agree. The E90 m3 is really at the upper weight limit of what you want for a tracked car. Those heavier cars just don't work at the track. An M5 may be stellar for 1 lap but that's it. It will literally fall apart if you do an entire lapping session with it. The M5 and M6 are made for cruising highways.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by Petros

I agree. The E90 m3 is really at the upper weight limit of what you want for a tracked car. Those heavier cars just don't work at the track. An M5 may be stellar for 1 lap but that's it. It will literally fall apart if you do an entire lapping session with it. The M5 and M6 are made for cruising highways.

Yep, as you go backwards in m3 models you tend to see more track oriented cars.

[SOM3]

Originally Posted by Careful Driver

For someone who can afford 2 cars, I would get an M5 plus Z07/old M3. If you must have 1 car, either old E90 or M5.

It doesnt matter how heavy the m5 is. Its much faster than the M3. It sounds better too (this is subjective).

M3 has too much going against it.

- Way too expensive for the marginal improvement it provides over the old generation.
- Sounds absolutely terrible inside and outside
- Still feels very cheap

Forget the M5 for a second, I would keep the old M3 until at least ZCP and LCI comes out for the new one and you can get on below invoice.

I only threw the M5 into the mix to compare straightline speed. All these people who talk about "brutal" acceleration are just smoking something. It does not feel as fast as an M5 and it feels marginally faster than the old car. With right gearing, the old car will also feel fast. Down low, sure at 1800 rpm the old car is slow, but downshift to 4500 rpm and you are set to go.

I also cannot strongly emphasize how the 5500 rpm wall hits. Its so weird. M5 isnt like this, it never runs out of breath. Maybe because its a larger engine and higher horsepower. M3's torque drop is very obvious.

Forget all the reviews and first drives for a second.

What I find interesting is that the only people that dislike new M3/4 are current M5 guys and recent E9X M3 guys.

Hmmmmmm.

Carry on.

[SOM3]

Originally Posted by Careful Driver

And the only people who like it are the ones who were stupid enough to drink bmw kool aid and pay sticker plus for it? Whats your point?

Do you see me talk down on the new z07? Or the m235? Or 1M? Or 991? I dont own them either and they are cheaper than my car so by your logic i should bash them too?

Just flip the coin for a second and open your eyes.

Why so serious?

Remember, no matter how bent out of shape about this you get, your opinion means nothing to me.

[SOM3]

Originally Posted by Careful Driver

I am not serious at all. I could also care less what you do with your money.

All these "yay I got my launch car for msrp plus " i have brutal acceleration now threads are tiring

I'm glad we can agree on something.