rs-19 vs carbotech rp2

1MOREMOD · 02-17-2013, 10:37 PM

seems like im smoking thru the pagids. anyone used both of these and have an opinion on which is better. see the rp2s have high MOT by a wide margin and are cheaper.

askjeeves · 02-17-2013, 10:56 PM

i can't speak for the rp2, but i run carbotech xp10 on my 350z with brembos and they tend to last at least 5 track days. each day being approx 5 sessions pushing for about 20-25 min. i really like these brake pads.

1MOREMOD · 02-17-2013, 11:02 PM

okay thanks. looking for a pad that works well at the track and lasts me a while. was running ferodo ds2500s for a while but went thru in a day or 2 and now seem to be having same issue with rs19. used half my fronts in single day.

Richard@M-World · 02-18-2013, 12:43 AM

Perhaps it's time to upgrade to a BBK

aus · 02-18-2013, 02:09 AM

Endless maybe?

But you know you want a BBK!!!

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1MOREMOD · 02-18-2013, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard@M-World

Perhaps it's time to upgrade to a BBK

its past that. i will next fall.

w00tw00t · 02-18-2013, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard@M-World

Perhaps it's time to upgrade to a BBK

Richard does that imply that having a BBK reduces pad wear? Given the same driver (aggressive advanced driver at the track) ?

Richard@M-World · 02-18-2013, 06:57 PM

I would say that BBKs typically use bigger pads and run at a cooler temperature. Both of which help reduce wear.

adc · 02-19-2013, 10:41 PM

A few questions...
- do you get even wear on the pads, front to back and side to side
- are you experiencing fade at some point?

I just bought another set of Pagids from a forum member because they've served me reasonably well. But I do get fade if I push really hard at tracks like VIR, and I mean really hard. I think my next mod is going to be redirecting air from the ducts to the rotors, in the manner of the GT3 air blade attached to the lower control arm.

I just cannot bring myself to pay 10% of the cost of the car on a BBK. Might be tempted to switch to a different car, a used 911 or Cayman S/R perhaps.

1MOREMOD · 02-19-2013, 11:45 PM

i get even wear side to side but not front to back. my fronts probably are 3 sets to one.

adc · 02-20-2013, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

i get even wear side to side but not front to back. my fronts probably are 3 sets to one.

I'm getting remarkably even wear front to back. I know it sounds silly, but I am wondering if springs with a big fwd rake can contribute.

Anyway, I was trying to ask you a different question, but phrased it incorrectly. For each pad, is the wear pattern parallel to the backing plate? Or is one side of the pad wearing faster than the other?

Bubbles · 02-20-2013, 08:53 AM

I spend a lot less on brake pads now after putting on a front BBK. I was spending a pretty penny running pagids on stock brakes.

Fronts now last me 5-8 track days, compared to maybe 2 days with pagid yellows.

klammer · 02-20-2013, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bubbles

I spend a lot less on brake pads now after putting on a front BBK. I was spending a pretty penny running pagids on stock brakes.

Fronts now last me 5-8 track days, compared to maybe 2 days with pagid yellows.

My experience is similar.

1MOREMOD · 02-20-2013, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by adc

I'm getting remarkably even wear front to back. I know it sounds silly, but I am wondering if springs with a big fwd rake can contribute.

Anyway, I was trying to ask you a different question, but phrased it incorrectly. For each pad, is the wear pattern parallel to the backing plate? Or is one side of the pad wearing faster than the other?

Yes my wear is pretty even. Maybe slight variation front to back last time on my rear pads.

02-17-2013, 10:37 PM	#1
1MOREMOD - 11817 Rep 23,187 Posts Drives: Race car-> Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: check your mirrors iTrader: (5)	rs-19 vs carbotech rp2 seems like im smoking thru the pagids. anyone used both of these and have an opinion on which is better. see the rp2s have high MOT by a wide margin and are cheaper. __________________ 02 Tiag e46 M3\|6MT\|GC plates\|MCS c.o.\|GC bars\|GC race control arms\|GC bushings\|BW eng. & tran. mounts\|subframe kit\|BW race shifter\|BW Jaffster\|Euro header\|BW exhaust\|K&N c.a.i.\|Epic race tune\|Rouge pulleys\|Seibon CF hood\|CSL bumper\|apr gt 250 & splitter\|ST-40\|XR-2\|SS lines\|half cage\|Recaro profi\|Profi 2 harness\|BMWpedals\|BW studs\|
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askjeeves Captain 147 Rep 957 Posts Drives: e92 m3/spece30 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Miami, FL iTrader: (1)	i can't speak for the rp2, but i run carbotech xp10 on my 350z with brembos and they tend to last at least 5 track days. each day being approx 5 sessions pushing for about 20-25 min. i really like these brake pads. __________________ 2011 e92 ///m3 zcp - jzb/fr ED 6/29/10
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1MOREMOD - 11817 Rep 23,187 Posts Drives: Race car-> Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: check your mirrors iTrader: (5)	okay thanks. looking for a pad that works well at the track and lasts me a while. was running ferodo ds2500s for a while but went thru in a day or 2 and now seem to be having same issue with rs19. used half my fronts in single day. __________________ 02 Tiag e46 M3\|6MT\|GC plates\|MCS c.o.\|GC bars\|GC race control arms\|GC bushings\|BW eng. & tran. mounts\|subframe kit\|BW race shifter\|BW Jaffster\|Euro header\|BW exhaust\|K&N c.a.i.\|Epic race tune\|Rouge pulleys\|Seibon CF hood\|CSL bumper\|apr gt 250 & splitter\|ST-40\|XR-2\|SS lines\|half cage\|Recaro profi\|Profi 2 harness\|BMWpedals\|BW studs\|
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Richard@M-World 78 Rep 684 Posts Drives: NASA TTA #92 M3 Join Date: May 2011 Location: TX/IL iTrader: (0)	Perhaps it's time to upgrade to a BBK __________________ Authorized AiM Dealer - Solo/Solo DL \| SmartyCam HD \| www.m-world.us
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02-18-2013, 02:09 AM	#5
aus Major General 890 Rep 9,031 Posts Drives: Odysse Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Seal Beach, CA iTrader: (10)	Endless maybe? But you know you want a BBK!!! . __________________ Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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Richard@M-World 78 Rep 684 Posts Drives: NASA TTA #92 M3 Join Date: May 2011 Location: TX/IL iTrader: (0)	I would say that BBKs typically use bigger pads and run at a cooler temperature. Both of which help reduce wear. __________________ Authorized AiM Dealer - Solo/Solo DL \| SmartyCam HD \| www.m-world.us
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02-19-2013, 10:41 PM	#9
adc Major General 2750 Rep 6,759 Posts Drives: 2018 F80 M3 ED Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: MD/DC iTrader: (12)	A few questions... - do you get even wear on the pads, front to back and side to side - are you experiencing fade at some point? I just bought another set of Pagids from a forum member because they've served me reasonably well. But I do get fade if I push really hard at tracks like VIR, and I mean really hard. I think my next mod is going to be redirecting air from the ducts to the rotors, in the manner of the GT3 air blade attached to the lower control arm. I just cannot bring myself to pay 10% of the cost of the car on a BBK. Might be tempted to switch to a different car, a used 911 or Cayman S/R perhaps. __________________ 2018 F80 Santorini 2019 Z4 3.0i 2022 X2 M35i
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1MOREMOD - 11817 Rep 23,187 Posts Drives: Race car-> Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: check your mirrors iTrader: (5)	i get even wear side to side but not front to back. my fronts probably are 3 sets to one. __________________ 02 Tiag e46 M3\|6MT\|GC plates\|MCS c.o.\|GC bars\|GC race control arms\|GC bushings\|BW eng. & tran. mounts\|subframe kit\|BW race shifter\|BW Jaffster\|Euro header\|BW exhaust\|K&N c.a.i.\|Epic race tune\|Rouge pulleys\|Seibon CF hood\|CSL bumper\|apr gt 250 & splitter\|ST-40\|XR-2\|SS lines\|half cage\|Recaro profi\|Profi 2 harness\|BMWpedals\|BW studs\|
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02-20-2013, 08:53 AM	#12
Bubbles Brigadier General 2753 Rep 4,445 Posts Drives: Green Bastard Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bishop Bend iTrader: (3)	I spend a lot less on brake pads now after putting on a front BBK. I was spending a pretty penny running pagids on stock brakes. Fronts now last me 5-8 track days, compared to maybe 2 days with pagid yellows. __________________
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