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03-16-2008, 08:17 AM | #23 | |
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I can't say the GTR is too small in the rear seat but from the pics I have seen, I got the idea it's small like the 911s back seat. |
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How can one compare two entirely different cars based on speed alone? There are far too many variables that define any car, especially a sports car.
If you want some of the best performance and speed for your dollar narrow your focus to a ZO6, Viper (yuk) or GT-R. If you want to add exclusivity -which you do- then eliminate the former two. Then, the way that I see it for you is there is only one choice. If I had to pick one, it would be the slower, more refined, more prestigious and likely more fun of your choices: the M car. |
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thanks guys
I do not want to cause any trouble or flame war. This is really my decision. I like both cars and could be happy with either. The point about the M3 v Z06 is true where the Z06 is quicker for the same cost as a M3. However when I think of the Z06 (and I drove a C5 Z06) I agree they are fun but sometimes could be hard to drive slow. Or meaning they are more fun when you are gunning it. My problem with that is being more of a daily car I don't want to be going 50 over the speed limit all the time. I think (maybe) its possible the GTR is so fast it's east to go fast to get the feeling of speed. I have driven a 911 turbo and found the same thing, it would take 40 mph (posted) corners at 60 mph but make you feel ilke you are doing 30. Meaning while quick was not as fun as some cars. ALSO. Test drives are fine but often I don't get comfortable in the short time they allow and with the sales person in the car it's hard to get the feel of what it's like to drive the car like I would if I owned it. Maybe some people are able to block out the sales person and get a better feel of a car but for me it's hard. Thanks for the ideas to think about. I am trying to read up as much from owners as well as magazine tests. Part of the delima is the M3 is here already and the GTR is not so it'd be a longer wait for the GTR. |
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Who ever thinks or said that BMW is trying to sell the M3 for $100k, is an idiot. It's not BMW, it's the dealers. And who ever thinks that it is okay for the M3 to sell for $100k is even a bigger moron. No matter how amazing the M3 is, it does not command that price. IT's not like it's a very limited production car. JMHO.
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03-16-2008, 10:38 AM | #27 |
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I think they were talking about bmw wanting to sell 100K units meaning what 20K cars a year for 5 years.
The GTR said to be more limited less than 6000 cars worldwide per year they say even less but that's what people are saying something like 1500 GTRs to the US in it's first year. |
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Oh, and don't forget. the M in M3 is supposed to stand for motorsport. If that is the case, why shouldn't anyone compare the M3 to the best performance cars around the world, ESPECIALLY if its the exact same price as the M3? Oh thats right, the M now stands for marketing.
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Using your rationale, a rocket strapped to a Neon would yeild a better sports car if only it handled as well. The Nissan's major advantages are it's transmission, price and it's exclusivity. Remove any one of those and it could be a bust. If money were not a consideration any reasonable, passionate buyer would pick a 997tt over the GT-R all day long even if the 997 was slower in most contests. |
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however what does that mean? Is Porsche going to sell a new 911 turbo for $70K and if they do won't that be bad-bad for the M3s more than anything? |
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Again, all you can say is a SUBJECTIVE thing. To me, the GT-R is emotionally more mesmorizing than the M3. I also find the GT-R to be better looking.
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IMHO, GTR is pretty ugly, but then when was the last time you see a beast that looks pretty? I like it that way.
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Well, I like it cause its so bad-ass. Its not a pretty boy like the M3.
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Although I have seen a sticker with a markup very close to $100k I certainly agree that is utter nonsense. The point here was quantity not price, i.e. 100k cars in total number sold over its lifespan, not the price! |
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Gosh, just because the GTR is faster doesn't make it better. No flames, but the M3 is european and looks a lot better.(I am on a GTR waiting list, lottery for a name pull, and I think the car is awesome). Dont bash the M3, like I've said before, the M3 has never before been able to compete with such great supercars like the GTR, GT3 and so on, now it is, contrats to the M3. The only difference is with the GTR this time around is that Nissan decided to engineer it for the US too. I agree with Devo who is getting a GTR and a M3 and Swamp
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I think I can live with +$5K (I have a dealer willing). I think if I didn't want the DCT option with the M3 I'd be more set on the M3 but adding the price of that option plus the fact it's later release will make the M3 come later in the year maybe similar to a GTR which is also a later in the year car. |
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I don't know about the GTRs interior level (leather etc.) or it's sound system may not be as good as the premium sound M3. But the running stuff (tranny, diffs, brakes, wheels, etc.) maybe better than the M3. It's got a flat underbody pannel like a race car (F430 has also). See this is what I think it's boiling down to if I said M3 or GT3 most people would say if you can afford the GT3 that's the better car. (I think there is little debate) or maybe 911 turbo v M3 (people would say the turbo is better for a lot higher cost). But when people see the GTR just costs $7K (ish) more than a M3 they can't say the price anymore so they say it's a Nissan or it's not european etc.. I agree also, I'd like to get both. If I was single or didn't want an early retirement it'd be easy to get a M3 now and get a GTR in 18 months or after the supply is higher. But for me it's one or the other meaning one great car and probably will never get the other car so I am pondering it daily. BTW I don't want to sound like I don't love the M3 it's great and if not for the cost going up (with options) to $70K which is right there with a GTR there would not be a doubt. However bmw forced me to pick technology pack (to get m-button and CA) and I figure once I'm at technology I should get the premium sound (also BMW cripples the base sound lesser than a 335 which is a much cheaper car. I mean p-off BMW at least offer premium sound without having to technology first. etc.) BMW makes great car with great price (base) but with $12K in options not so great as could be. |
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03-17-2008, 07:17 AM | #42 | |
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The GT-R forums and media indicate that some cars have been pre-sold at MSRP, however, they certainly are not the majority. I have heard of many actually selling for $20k over. So, I do not really think one would have too much luck getting a car at your price so easily. Of course, mine will be here in June/July and, although, I do not intend on selling it in the near term, the right price can take it away . |
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03-17-2008, 08:17 AM | #43 |
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it's tempting to me to get a M3 first and get a GTR at msrp in a few years. If I got a M3 now it'd be easier to wait 2+ years on the GTR.
In that case maybe it'd be better to get a lower cost M3 such as low option car (ie. $60K-ish) do without the technology, premium sound, DCT (further if I went with a sedan) I could shave $10K off my cost. |
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If i were you i would go for the M3.
-Less waiting time. -More beautiful -Can take 2 extra passengers -Cheaper -Good performance bs the other car is just a nissan ( what a crap of brand ) Shore they are japanese and they know what they are doing, but itīs a Nissan. My 2 cents
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